The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 27

I think he is?

Like, gag me with a spoon!

I can't put into words how impressed I was with Adywan's work.

If I had to nitpick, I can think of just a couple of things:

1. I would love to have that last image of Tarkin just before the Death Star blows up. We all know Ady needed to remove it in order to add his Death Star as it begins to fire, however,  I still miss it.

2. The torture droid needle.  I know people complain about it looking like a little lightsaber, but I think the overall change outweighs the drawback. My solution? Keep what is there, but remove the blue hue. Simply make it look like the core color of a lightsaber (ie bright white).

In fact, can someone do up a still of that? A picture speaks a thousand words. If that were done, you'd get the futuristic sci-fi look to the scene without people complaining that it looks like a mini-lightsaber. Let's face it, it doesn't exactly work as a simple syringe either.

3. A change in dialogue. One of the things that most impressed me was Ady's work on the duel. I can't believe how much better it is. But the one thing I didn't like was a reversal in dialogue.

In the original, Vader tells Obi-Wan, "Your powers are weak, old man." Later, he tells Obi-Wan, "You should not have come back." For some reason, Ady reversed these lines. Personally, I always loved the"you should not have come back" line being the last thing Vader ever says to Kenobi in life. The change kind of threw me, but it is no big deal.

4. All of the smudges (fingerprints!) and startches/scuffs on Vader's helmet fixed. His armor is so much better in ESB and ROTJ. I just tell myself that Vader would replace his older armor with newer armor from time to time.

That's all I can think of. Everything else is great.

I think the best thing I can say about Adywan's ANH Revisited is that it is Episode IV to me now. I'll watch it at least 10 times for every time I watch the old OT and 20 times for every time I watch my 2004 SE DVD set.

I think that's the best compliment I can give.

^A "couple of things" means two things. ;)

I agree with 1 and 2. 4 would be insanely hard to accomplish, if not nigh impossible. Not even worth the effort, really.

Kurgan said:

In fact, instead of showing the exact same footage of the beam building up in the chamber (with operators shielding their eyes), I'd remove that and just show Tarkin and then the explosion as before (with the beams animating into position before it blows... subtle, without a complete repeat of the previous footage).

 I love this idea, Kurgan.

Kurgan said:

Of course I'd really love to see someone restore the deleted ANH footage and come up with a cut that has the option to play the movie with those scenes interspersed back into the cut.

I don't know if they could be cleaned up enough not to drastically stand out though. Personally, I'd just love to have all of the available deleted scenes as simple extras.

Ripplin said:

^A "couple of things" means two things. ;)

LOL.

Okay, a few things. Maybe a handful.

Ripplin said:

I agree with 1 and 2. 4 would be insanely hard to accomplish, if not nigh impossible. Not even worth the effort, really.

 Agreed. Just a pipe dream.

this is one thing i would like to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OiGL2sSEFg

battle of the heroes in the Ben vs. Vader duel but withought the vocals

I kinda like the hologram idea but only if we see the imperial officer entirely and not just from the waist. As for the Jabba scene, would it be possible to use ROTJ footage?

Bingowings said:

A bit of a mute question as the answer is clearly yes, if someone has the same degree of dedication.

Ady worked wonders but are there any other ideas that could be worked on by other editors to add even more to what he already accomplished.

Here's a couple of crude mockups to get the ball rolling.

1st, That Jabba Scene...surplus to requirement at the moment but by adding different subtitles and re-colouring it to match his look in ROTJ it could add more than just say again what the Greedo scene did so well (especially if someone could work out what to do with his tail without Han stepping on it).

Holgraphic communications appear in every Star Wars film but in ANH all we get is Leia's message.

It would make sense that Tarkin would want to get news about Dantooine ASAP so why not have the message delivered over the holonet?

That big ball on the conference table must serve some function (not unless it's for Imperial Fondue parties).

I agree, I would love to see Adys new hope but with the jabba scene put back in, i liked the dvd version, I also like the idea of a hologram ball.

Wasnt too keen on Ponda Babas new severed flipper.

I liked how the deathstars lasers were about to fire as it explodes, but, the explosion is still a dissapointment even though its improved. I think an all new explosion could be made, the asteroid explodion at the end of Armaggedon is awesome, maybe copy n paste deathstar over that, recolour earth red so it looks like the red planet over yavin, flip the image upside down so the explosion happensin the opposite direction to armaggedon so its not too familiar.

Then release a 720p mkv of it. Thats my wish list here anyways, but Adywans edit is still superb!!!!

Seeing the flipper means you've only seen the XVID, which is really what I consider the first draft. Give the DVD9 a shot.

Lord Grievous said:

As for the Jabba scene, would it be possible to use ROTJ footage?

This was already discussed:

 

Harmy said:

vaderios said:

Harmy said:

Well, I once came up with this idea:

I was surprised to see no one seems to have come up with this. If the Jabba scene was to be kept, it would have to look something like this IMO.

How? :)

 

-Angel

Well in answer to your question I put together a small video, it was done very very roughly and I'm sure someone as skilled as Adywan could make it way better.

 

URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lg8nk5FArU

TMBTM said:

It's a nice try on few frames, but doing the whole sequence would be another task. Jabba needs to look at Han in the eyes (not always maybe, but sometimes at least), plus his movements needs to match the scene, plus the lips synch, plus in the end of the scene he turns his back to the camera and I don't think we have good footage of that in ROTJ.

All in all I'd say I doubt it could be done that way. Or at least it would not be easy, even for someone like Adywan.

I guess making a new CG Jabba would be even easier! (not that I want that scene back, just answering the question)

It would definitely be next to impossible to put the original ROTJ Jabba in the scene digitally using just the ROTJ footage, but a way in which it would be doable would be shooting a bluescreen puppet. Luca$film should have done that, I'm sure they still have the original Jabba puppet in storage somewhere, they could have just shot the scene with it, with Jabba being on some kind of antigravity platform, and as Han walks around him, Jabba could have just turned to keep facing Han and no stepping on tail would have been necesary. But well, the Jabba scene is redundant anyway...

Harmy said:

It would definitely be next to impossible to put the original ROTJ Jabba in the scene

Luca$film should have done that

Jabba being on some kind of antigravity platform.

But well, the Jabba scene is redundant anyway...

Lol. that could be hilarious :P

Also decide if it should have been or it is redundant :P

-Angel

Well, I meant if they had to put it back, they should have at least done it right :-)

And I know EU isn't exactly aknowledged as a reference here, but in the Han Solo trilogy Hutts are said to be using anti gravity sledges, i think it would have been quite a reasonable solution.

Let's all just thank our lucky stars they didn't have Jabba flying around on suspensors like the Baron Harkonnen in David Lynch's Dune.

The flying didn't actually bother me and the acting I thought was great, but things like milking cats and insect juice boxes I thought were a little too wierd.

Now a flying Jabba in the context of that scene would be hilarious but a low level floating platform like in ROTJ but only mobile would be best I think. I don't imagine Hutts like to get much excercise from the look of things.