The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 157

hey SSWR, loved the video! your prospective dialogue for windu is great, especially his remarks when getting on the transport! i'd be interested in seeing some dubs on anakin and palps perhaps if you think the dialogue could be improved, as you seem to get it spot on pretty much all the time.

only things i'd change would be anakin waiting in the council chamber and the interchange there, id be interested to see that dialogue placed upon anakins fall scene?

bingos idea would be a nice addition, and especially glad to see windu going solo! its great to making a jedi to appear a bit of a tosser. id love to see an edit where anakins 'fall' to the darkside appear as a positive event, so he is the good guy throughout until a crashing realisation at the end (cue a ripley style death from alien 3?)

ps- ill get some comparison stills for the tilt shift experiment up when i have a spare moment.

Good job SSWR!
I still can't stand the post-transformation Palpatine, though.
The ridiculous "demonic" voice, "a good sith you will become"... bwuh

Couldn't you cut all his lines after "you are fulfilling your destiny"?

DarthBo said:

Good job SSWR!
I still can't stand the post-transformation Palpatine, though.
The ridiculous "demonic" voice, "a good sith you will become"... bwuh

Couldn't you cut all his lines after "you are fulfilling your destiny"?

Seeing as the voice is already screwed up it might be possible to re-record it in a less dopey fashion and distort it in a way where it sounds plausible like JasonN's Phantom Sidious.

Perhaps if we employed a behind the scenes explanation that he is trying to get his Force mask back on but has pulled a Force muscle, (like the pointless changeling thing in AOTC, only serving a narrative purpose) working towards that idea may produce something less Panto and more genuinely sinister.

The real problem is the make-up and I can't think of a way around that other than morphing shots of Ian's real face over the mask...like he is struggling to put his public face back on (this prompts him to later give up and make up the Jedi done it story).

I think the transformation is very well made in SSWR's video. It appears suddenly and surprise the audience (and Windu). It is the way to go IMO.

Of course the final render of the make up would be difficult to change a lot.

was having a think about anakin's defeat at mustafar by obi wan, and how contrived it appears 'i have the high ground' (wtf!)

what i was thinking, was to employ a common story technique where the action of obi wan's victory would relate to some anecdote from earlier in the film, where obi wan would have learnt a lesson from a mistake.

an example of this would be during iron man his suit freezes due to the altitude. he fixes this problem. when fighting iron monger later on, he has an epiphany and leads him to a high altitude in order to freeze his suit too thus defeating him.

i was thinking, if we could create an event during the grevious duel that could relate to another created event where anakin is defeated - so basically reinvent two pivocal moments during these duels. however impossible it may be to produce, could you please give your ideas as someone else may think of a variation that is more realistic!

was having a think about anakin's defeat at mustafar by obi wan, and how contrived it appears 'i have the high ground' (wtf!)

oh i agree, im talking about remaking how obi wan defeats anakin into something a bit more significant. preferably no dialogue at all. the whole way he seemed to get chopped up seemed so contrived, and could have been a great opportunity for a big pay off in the way of character development for obi wan.

You're right, Farlander, the whole high ground thing was stupid.

I was thinking that the duel could end when that crane goes over the lava-fall. Obi-Wan swings to the riverbank, the music climaxes as the crane goes over the lava-fall. For a moment, we think Anakin went with it. Then he comes lurching at Obi-Wan who responds with the limb chop.

Another thing about the ending of the duel: I didn't really like how Obi-Wan just left Anakin there. Maybe we could make it look like the riverbank is breaking down, and Obi-Wan has no choice but to retreat and watch his friend burn.

Another thing about the ending of the duel: I didn't really like how Obi-Wan just left Anakin there. Maybe we could make it look like the riverbank is breaking down, and Obi-Wan has no choice but to retreat and watch his friend burn.

Obi-Wan walking away to leave his good friend burn makes the scene more emotional.  We see these two as friends for a good portion of the PT, and to see it end like that just gives a darker feeling.

You're right, Farlander, the whole high ground thing was stupid.

I agree here, I also thought it was stupid how we get visually stunning Mustafar shots, only to see this this important duel end on a hill off in the distance.  Im all for a more impactful ending to the duel.  Im sure someone has a good idea.  I like Silverkeys idea in the post above mine.

And SSWR- I loved what you did with the pacing of the Palps/Ani conversation. The duel shots were trimmed perfectly, but the last sequence all seemed too rushed.  It needs to feel a bit more natural, but overall, this was a good step in the right direction.

Speaking only for myself: The burning and Obi-Wan walking away taking Anakin's sabre is the emotional core of ROTS, and pretty much the only scene that works for me in the entire movie.

The high ground line worked for me the first time I saw ROTS. But then I remembered that this concept would mean nothing to force-jumping jedi.

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Just wanted to throw in my two cents.  I'm all for changing the Mustafar duel's ending in some way, but if it goes as far as jumping from the arm straight to the shore (as was suggested earlier), it would cut out riding on the droids, which is admittedly kinda silly, but it would also cut out one of what I personally think is one of the most powerful shots in the whole sequence - the brief silent lull in the combat as they float down the river, staring at each other.  To me, the look of disbelief on Obi-Wan's face at what his friend has become is just perfect, and I'd hate to see it go (I'd be OK with getting rid of the dialogue around that moment, though).

The reaction shot is rather good but the situation it appears in is awful (maybe someone will be able to one extract the reaction from the nonsense surrounding it and place it in a little less OTT frame).

Some attempts at this have been made by various faneditors, but at this point I can't remember who did what and I'm too lazy to go look at the cutlists.  I do remember that the removal of dialogue seemed to help quite a bit, especially the dialogue right before Anakin jumps over Obi (you underestimate my power, don't try it, blah blah blah)

If Anakin is hearing voices perhaps in episode 2 when he is kneeling at his mother's grave he could hear her repeat.

"Son, my place is here, my future is here. It is time for you to let go..."

Almost like it's whispered on the wind.

It would add to the idea I suggested earlier that Anakin was driven insane by the death of his mother and that Vader is an alternate personality that grows in strength in the background of the later half of Episode 2 and the whole of Episode 3 and only begins to fade by the end of Episode 5.

Bingowings said:

If Anakin is hearing voices perhaps in episode 2 when he is kneeling at his mother's grave he could hear her repeat.

"Son, my place is here, my future is here. It is time for you to let go..."

Almost like it's whispered on the wind.

It would add to the idea I suggested earlier that Anakin was driven insane by the death of his mother and that Vader is an alternate personality that grows in strength in the background of the later half of Episode 2 and the whole of Episode 3 and only begins to fade by the end of Episode 5.

I like the quote idea.  But having Anakin and Vader be two personalities is not a concept I've personally liked.

it would be ace for anakin to have a vader dream, a bit like the dark cave experince on dagoba. a shadowy form could kill his mother, then padme, then him.

ooooh. Star Wars - Vanilla Sky Edition?

I was thinking more of Vader being Anakin's Tyler Durden.

There's a mysterious dark warrior going around killing Jedi and bumping off Separatists and only when Anakin assists in killing Mace does he realise he is the mystery guy.

Some of the things attributed to Grievous could actually be Anakin.

Some of the things obviously done by Vader in ROTS could be obscured and happen before Anakin's actual fall.

Palpatine is fully aware what is going on so references to Vader could be moved to earlier in the film.

The tragedy would be that he is still the good man who has already subconsciously done so much that he would identify as evil that he now feels he has nothing left, it isn't worth trying to fight it and starts justifying it.

The subconscious demon becomes his waking self.

It's impossible to feel sympathy for someone who consciously murders children.

Someone who does it and doesn't know he's doing it until it's too late is far more tragic.

The tragedy would be that he is still the good man who has already subconsciously done so much that he would identify as evil that he now feels he has nothing left, it isn't worth trying to fight it and starts justifying it.