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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 155

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I meant your video... But it's all good. I see what you're talking about now. Sorry.

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By the way, for those who are interested...

I'm still around reading up on the forums but I post even less these days...just spending time elsewhere.

However, I DO have a new video coming soon. It's sort of a first draft of Anakins turn to the darkside in ROTS.

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

By the way, for those who are interested...

I'm still around reading up on the forums but I post even less these days...just spending time elsewhere.

However, I DO have a new video coming soon. It's sort of a first draft of Anakins turn to the darkside in ROTS.

Nice to see you back :D

We missed you

 

Cant wait for the video :D


-Angel

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Indeed^

 

Some shots for your consideration :)

Anakin and obi wan. Its a reshoot. The lightning, the scar, clothing and hair are changing between shots.

Also flipped zoomed reused shot

Thats for now :)

More shit to come


-Angel

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Good find! I like this edit, I'm all for saving the surprise of showing Yoda with a lightsaber. Now if only we could find a way to beef up Obi-Wan and Anakin vs Dooku to make up for some lost duel time...

Looking forward to your video of Anakin's turn, SSWR. Different takes on the mess that is Anakin's turn are always welcome! :D

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I don't know if the Obi-Wan / Anakin / Dooku duel is satisfying enough to be the movie's climax. I guess I'd have to watch the last 15 minutes or so of the movie without the Yoda duel to know whether or not I'd miss it. From a story point of view it's an unnecessary scene, but in terms of pacing, buildup and satisfaction I'm not sure how easily it can be done away with.

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One more bug for your consideration.

When the clones are executing the order 66 in the scene that the bike scout troopers recieving the transmission, notice the belt of the front trooper. the back box/clip does an awkward animation ;)


-Angel

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I'm just wondering; has anyone been keeping tabs on all the suggestions we've made in this thread so when Ady actually gets to the PT, he won't have to look through this entire thing?

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But then we miss out on the geonosis rings scene, which was one of the more memorable action scenes of the PT. :(

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I like a lot of the ideas here. But I will say one thing, and that's, imho, the story of the PT does not need to be changed all that drastically. 

The main things that need to be done is, re-editing scenes, cutting some dialogue (like, the balcony scene in EP III *shudders*), cutting Jar-Jar's screentime, re-inserting deleted scenes, stuff like that. lol But taking out the entire Yoda v Dooku duel in EP II and taking out the entire gungan battle in EP I would be too much, imo.

Also, I REALLY like the color edits on here. Just one thing, be very careful that you don't take out ALL the color in the process. Some desaturation is necessary, but people do tend to get carried away sometimes.

This is exciting! :D

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vaderios said:

One more bug for your consideration.

When the clones are executing the order 66 in the scene that the bike scout troopers recieving the transmission, notice the belt of the front trooper. the back box/clip does an awkward animation ;)


-Angel

 

Commander Gree's belt boxes move when he kneels down to Yoda on Kashyyk too. if you watch AOTC in HD you'll notice that when Clones run or are sitting their thighs go right through their bulky belt boxes because it's just CG. when you don't design actual costumes for humans you get problems like that. 

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OzoneSherrif said:

vaderios said:

One more bug for your consideration.

When the clones are executing the order 66 in the scene that the bike scout troopers recieving the transmission, notice the belt of the front trooper. the back box/clip does an awkward animation ;)


-Angel

 

Commander Gree's belt boxes move when he kneels down to Yoda on Kashyyk too. if you watch AOTC in HD you'll notice that when Clones run or are sitting their thighs go right through their bulky belt boxes because it's just CG. when you don't design actual costumes for humans you get problems like that. 

I never understood why the Clone Troopers were cg. They're supposed to be people...in costumes.

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Octorox said:

I never understood why the Clone Troopers were cg. They're supposed to be people...in costumes.

'Cause CG is AWESOME!  So much better and more realistic than real life.

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the story of the PT does not need to be changed all that drastically.

I must say I completely disagree with this. To me, the PT is a train wreck of nigh-Biblical proportions, and they're all quite possibly among the worst scripts ever filmed in big-budget productions (and I even count Michael Bay). Apart from the inept direction, the ugly effects and the mostly clueless acting (even by greats like MacGregor, Neeson, August, Lee and Stamp (and to a lesser degree Smits and Portman)), the films have virtually no exciting moments. They're overwrought and wordy, and yet the action is just too much leaving you with no feel for the situations (e.g. the hyperkinetic sabre fights are way less exciting than the pedestrian Vader/Obi-Wan duel from A New Hope).

You need to go far to save this mess, imo. Magnoliafan's edits of eps 1 and 2 nearly do the trick for me, but they're too long, and a lot more needs to go. I'm looking forward to seeing JasonN's 3-in-1 edit. I also like TMBTM's pan-and-scan, dusty, silent edits a lot (but he could have gone even further with plot changes, imo).

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Well, yes. The script has many faults. But I think that has more to do with the dialogue and the way some scenes were written, not the general plot. I mean, if the dialogue was more realistic, the story would shine.

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Jair Crawford, I agree with you that had the dialogue had been better, the story might have been better to swallow, but as you say: it has many faults. And I think there are too many of them.

Like you, I like the overall story. There are plenty of good concepts in there, but none of them really work, because there is bad characterization and the plots are in times illogical to just plain riddled with holes. But that's what this thread is for to discuss ;)

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Oh yes, I definitely agree. My main point is... well... let me put it this way.

Taking out the references of Sifo-dyas in EP II would be an appropriate change, imo. Also, taking out the references that Padme "lost the will to live" in EP III would be an appropriate change.

But, when people talk about taking out the entire pod race, or taking out all references of gungans, or completely removing the Yoda vs. Dooku lightsaber duel, that would disturb the flow of the movies even more rather than smooth the flow. I just have the feeling that those sections would just be too big to lop off effectively.

But hey, I could be wrong. ;)

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OzoneSherrif said:

When you don't design actual costumes for humans you get problems like that. 

I get your point there but we all know some akward effects that we see in movies from props or costumes. Like star wars, falling pieces of armor, missing parts of a uniform, almost removed helmets etc...

Cant blame 3d for everything. As in real life props and in 3d too you cant predict everything :)

 

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But, when people talk about taking out the entire pod race, or taking out all references of gungans, or completely removing the Yoda vs. Dooku lightsaber duel, that would disturb the flow of the movies even more rather than smooth the flow. I just have the feeling that those sections would just be too big to lop off effectively.

But hey, I could be wrong. ;)

No offense, but I think you are. ;)

I've seen large portions reedited brutally and whole sections cut with only positive effects on the story. You'd be surprised what can be cut. I thought the same as you until I saw an ep3 edit with no Yoda/Palpatine duel. As bad as it was, I thought that needed to be there intercut with the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel. Not the case, as it turns out. The film even flows better without it.

There are a lot of moments like that. Sometimes I wonder if you need episode 1 at all, apart from, like, two or three scenes. TMBTM's silent edit is two and a half hours long, and yet most of the story elements are intact (still too many, imo!), even with approx. five hours cut.

EDIT: Honestly, I don't really think the story elements are that good either. It's way too political. Not that there's anything wrong with a political story, and I dig Roman history (an obvious influence) as much as the next guy, it just feels awkward and uninteresting to me. Not to mention unexciting. We're used to Han Solo, now we get political drama delivered in costume drama stylings, with interminable preachy speeches in pretty badly written and too ornate language. But it's not just the writing. The ideas are bad too.

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vaderios said:

OzoneSherrif said:

When you don't design actual costumes for humans you get problems like that. 

I get your point there but we all know some akward effects that we see in movies from props or costumes. Like star wars, falling pieces of armor, missing parts of a uniform, almost removed helmets etc...

Cant blame 3d for everything. As in real life props and in 3d too you cant predict everything :)

 

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What's wrong with falling pieces of armour? It's that kind of grounding in real life the PT sorely lacks.

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Timstuff said:

I don't know if the Obi-Wan / Anakin / Dooku duel is satisfying enough to be the movie's climax. I guess I'd have to watch the last 15 minutes or so of the movie without the Yoda duel to know whether or not I'd miss it. From a story point of view it's an unnecessary scene, but in terms of pacing, buildup and satisfaction I'm not sure how easily it can be done away with.

If you want an example of that type of edit, here's the one I did for my Twilight of the Republic edit of EP2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmBR56ciP0U

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I've seen large portions reedited brutally and whole sections cut with only positive effects on the story. You'd be surprised what can be cut. I thought the same as you until I saw an ep3 edit with no Yoda/Palpatine duel. As bad as it was, I thought that needed to be there intercut with the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel. Not the case, as it turns out. The film even flows better without it.

That was probably from my EP3 edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tDcM7fDJqQ