Sorry if this is posting in the wrong thread!
Not so long back i was watching SW Deleted Magic, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi. While watching these outstanding documentaries they made me think about doing the same with the Alien Trilogy.
For sources i’d be using the Alien Quadrilogy features for the outtake footage, as well as the Alien Legacy Documentary and I’ll also be using footage from Gigers Alien.
Most of the unfilmed/alternate sequences are in storyboard form, so if i was to a ‘Deleted Magic’ touch to the project i would have to use the storyboards and do a sort of picture display with text etc…still not decided on how to approach this as of yet.
heres a quick example i threw together, for sound i split the 6 channel audio and used certain sound effects from the film, theres no text in this example either.
Still in planning at the moment but if i pull this off i will only bedoing the first 3 films as i hate and detest Alien Rez.
Well thats the plan/idea so far…
Still gathering footage etc for the first Documentary, still at a loss as to what to call the Alien documentary, i know bingowings has made a sugestion. I'd like to hear some other ideas for a title if anyones interested? i don't know what to call it!!!!
Sounds excellent!!!
Let me know if you need something as i got a hugh collection of books and memorabilia (but hurry as i need to sell a large part of it because we expect another little 'facehugger' ourselfs so we need space an money...)
with kind regards,
8t88
Wow thanks for the offer! I don't know where to start to be honest as i'm new to fanediting and never attempted anyhitng like this before! I have a few magazine and book sources to get trivia etc, etc...even have Terry Rawlings original Editing script for filmed and unfilmed scenes etc. Will take me a while, Dennis Lowe himself has allowd me to use some of his pictures for the yellow Nostromo...many thanks Dennis.
Alien has deleted scenes restored featured on the Quad boxset so thats not an issue, extra scenes also featured on the Alien Legacy set. I can use these with some behind the scenes photos and footage if needed etc. Some sequences there were filmed but never used or seen on any special features don't have any photos or screen shots i'll just have to mention them via text or something, some are storyboarded others aren't.
As for commentary segments i have a few audio parts mainly from Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver...i want to try and use audio sources other than the Quadrilogy so might look into the Alien Saga & Legacy documentaries.
If anyone has any sugestions or ideas i'm all ears! I'll defo need some help with this. Still gathering footage at the moment.
Nice project! Just a suggestion: maybe you can do multiangle feature with first angle being a movie with bunch of picture in picture pop-ups and text info (you can recompose picture and use empty space in widescreen for text info), and second angle with storyboards, sketches, script pages, photos... plus audio commentaries that are compiled from various sources.
Sounds interesting their TB :) thats given me an idea sor a sort of audio and visual scrap book for the original starbeat draft, if it's possible. A shortish summary with concept designs and trivia...
...i've just extracted the original production & original proposed filmed score audio tracks from the Alien Legacy DVD. Thought i might show some of the unused, extra & Alternate dialogue in places and a few original scores if possible. I'm attempting this with sony vegas also. The only thing i won't be using in this documentary is Terry Rawlings original editing script, what i mean is i want be inserting images of the pages etc as i haven't asked for permisson. He was kind enough to let Dennis Lowe scan it for us fans.
xeno_alpha_07 said:
Sounds interesting their TB :) thats given me an idea sor a sort of audio and visual scrap book for the original starbeat draft, if it's possible. A shortish summary with concept designs and trivia...
...i've just extracted the original production & original proposed filmed score audio tracks from the Alien Legacy DVD. Thought i might show some of the unused, extra & Alternate dialogue in places and a few original scores if possible. I'm attempting this with sony vegas also. The only thing i won't be using in this documentary is Terry Rawlings original editing script, what i mean is i want be inserting images of the pages etc as i haven't asked for permisson. He was kind enough to let Dennis Lowe scan it for us fans.
You could consider asking permission, you never know....
tb1971 said:
Nice project! Just a suggestion: maybe you can do multiangle feature with first angle being a movie with bunch of picture in picture pop-ups and text info (you can recompose picture and use empty space in widescreen for text info), and second angle with storyboards, sketches, script pages, photos... plus audio commentaries that are compiled from various sources.
Brilliant idea!!! Wish i had more time on my hands....
Great to see this moving along so quickly, XA07!
Just a couple of thoughts on earlier suggestions. On the point of alternate score tracks, I'd seriously recommend that you lay your hands (if you haven't already) on Intrada's 2-disc CD release - unlike the alt-tracks on the old DVD, it literally contains every recorded note and includes meticulous notes on what goes where. A really good resource for this project.
I'm really interested in the idea of the Starbeast 'reconstruction'. Are you a Planet of the Apes man? Recent releases of that have included a 'demo' publicity film that was released to theatre owners during pre-production; it's a montage of concept art with text, voice over and music designed to pre-sell the movie. It's really evocative and creates a different mood from the final film - a similar treatment would work well with Alien's early design work, perhaps a 5-10 minute interlude in the documentary, alternate angle or as even a separate feature.
xeno_alpha_07 said:
Wow thanks for the offer! I don't know where to start to be honest as i'm new to fanediting and never attempted anyhitng like this before! I have a few magazine and book sources to get trivia etc, etc...even have Terry Rawlings original Editing script for filmed and unfilmed scenes etc. Will take me a while, Dennis Lowe himself has allowd me to use some of his pictures for the yellow Nostromo...many thanks Dennis.
Alien has deleted scenes restored featured on the Quad boxset so thats not an issue, extra scenes also featured on the Alien Legacy set. I can use these with some behind the scenes photos and footage if needed etc. Some sequences there were filmed but never used or seen on any special features don't have any photos or screen shots i'll just have to mention them via text or something, some are storyboarded others aren't.
As for commentary segments i have a few audio parts mainly from Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver...i want to try and use audio sources other than the Quadrilogy so might look into the Alien Saga & Legacy documentaries.
If anyone has any sugestions or ideas i'm all ears! I'll defo need some help with this. Still gathering footage at the moment.
If i find some time this weekend i will make an small inventory of thing i think are intresting for your project.
signing off....
8t88
Sounds interesting there 8t88 ;)
I got a PM on another site with the following about the Alien Laser disc mono track:
This disc has only mono surround on the Dolby Digital track. The picture and the Dolby Digital soundtrack was mastered from the 70 mm release version. The soundtrack contains therefore some alternate dialogue, rough sound editing, different/enhanced sound effects, and is missing some dialogue which was contained on the Dolby Stereo sound mix of the 35 mm version.
I've not watched the Alien Laserdisc since 1994 (i think) Does anyone know if this is accurate? Does anyone have the mono track from the Alien laserdisc at all?
Are you talking about this LD release that had a Dolby Digital audio track?
If it really was remastered from the 70mm audio, it's quite possible that the surround (rear) channel is mono - this was the configuration for 70mm 6-track sound around that time (left, centre, right, surround, LFE left, LFE right).
Dolby Digital tracks can only have one LFE channel, so the audio would be actually be 4.1 (or maybe 5.1 with "dual mono" surrounds).
Anyway, I don't have the laserdisc, nor the facility to capture Dolby Digital streams off LD. But this sounds like an interesting bit of history to explore.
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re you talking about this LD release that had a Dolby Digital audio track?If it really was remastered from the 70mm audio, it's quite possible that the surround (rear) channel is mono - this was the configuration for 70mm 6-track sound around that time (left, centre, right, surround, LFE left, LFE right).
Dolby Digital tracks can only have one LFE channel, so the audio would be actually be 4.1 (or maybe 5.1 with "dual mono" surrounds).
Anyway, I don't have the laserdisc, nor the facility to capture Dolby Digital streams off LD. But this sounds like an interesting bit of history to explore.
I've just PM'ed the gentleman who sent the original PM about which LD release he was talking about, waiting for reply.
I am on for designing the cover if you want.
Thta would be great! Only problem is i still haven't found a title for Alien yet, Deleetd Magic, Building an Empire and Returning to Jedi were great titles...can't can't think of one thats good for this :(
***UPDATE***
Just going through the Quadrilogy special features for outtake, alternate shots etc...most behind the scenes footage i've collected. Just saved all nessasary story boards and Ridley grams. Still skint from xmas so waiting on getting an original copy of the 2 disc complete soundtrack for the inside booklet, plus i want this CD anyways (only have this one on MP3). Should be getting started soon.
something with birth or labor in the title could be interesting : Birth of Alien, Alien Labor ?
Alien : Origin of the Species
something with birth or labor in the title could be interesting : Birth of Alien, Alien Labor ?
Yes, something with birth or..
Alien : Origin of the Species
Fans have used that one for possible Prequel titles, but non the less your both giving me ideas, one other title a friend sugested based on your ideas was Alien: Death and Rebirth...i'll keep toying, many thanks guys!
Oh before i forget if any of you has not had the chance to read Terrys Rawlimgs original editing script heres the link:
http://www.alienexperience.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=166
Dennia lowe interviewd him for Alien Makers II which showed Terry with his script. Dennis god bless him asked if we could see it and Terry let Dennis scan the entire things for fans to read and study, hope you ejoy!
Alien : Rebirth of the Species
Well not a happy bunny at the moment, went looking for commentary tracks from the Alien Legacy Documentary and through 90% of the audio i wanted to use theres bloody music playing through them the entire interview. It's 2 channel audio so i can't split it and just use the center channel....
A sequence was filmed featuring the Alien outside the Shuttle enterance which was cureled up before it slowly rises up to look at her:
A segment was shown in "The Eigth Passenger" documentary on the quad features, but they onlt show a segment of the scene.
Went searching for a larger verison of the magazine cover a shot of this was featured on and found this extra little segment not featured on the Quad, Saga, Laserdisc and legacy features:
RARE ALIEN SHOT from xeno_alpha on Vimeo.
Thought id show it for those who are intersted :) it's only a short clip which i slowed down a little.
http://www.youtube.com/user/robomayhem#p/a/u/0/xcLTaMpRl2o
'Alien Rap' could be an extra. if you appreciate it. the MC raps in conjunction with dialog clips of the movie.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/robomayhem#p/a/u/0/xcLTaMpRl2o
'Alien Rap' could be an extra. if you appreciate it. the MC raps in conjunction with dialog clips of the movie.
lol, i'll use that when i do the Aliens film. Thanks ;)
At the moment i'm roughly editing together footage and from their l'll be planning what, where, when and how the trivia text willbe put, go and arranged. I'm struggling with the commentary tracks as mso tgof the dialogue i wanted to use to go with certin scenes and behing the scenes segments has music behind it so it can't be used. So i'll have to re-think what to do about that.