The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 144

darthmunky said:

I've been thinking about lightsabers in the prequels lately. Dooku wasn't really a legitimate Sith was he? So shouldn't he have a blue or green saber? (I think it should be green so when he fights Anakin, we see a rare green vs blue) Not seeing a red lightsaber in AotC would be cool because it would put even more emphasis into the title of RotS. And in RotS, I think Anakin should have red lightsaber at the end, revealing it when he turns it on to kill the younglings.

I've also been thinking about titles, has Adywan mentioned anything about renaming any of the prequels? I always thought Phantom Menace was a terrible title since it was first announced and Attack of the Clones is misleading. I really like Revenge of the Sith and if it had to be changed, the only ones I'd agree with are "Rise of the Empire", "Fall of the Jedi", or "Return of the Sith"

 

My friend suggested this, says it goes well as a saga:

The First Hope
The Republic Strikes Back
Return of the Sith

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

I ran this test once.

http://vimeo.com/7070492

I've also been thinking about titles, has Adywan mentioned anything about renaming any of the prequels?

I don't think he will, since I'm guessing he will just add Revisited to the title.  He can't say Fall of the Jedi Revisited.  Although, I would love to see AOTC renamed.

I always thought Phantom Menace was a terrible title since it was first announced and Attack of the Clones is misleading.

I like the Phantom Menace title.  The only thing that is wrong with it is the title is about a character who is seen like 4 times and then dies.  The title should be more about Anakin.

I don't like AOTC's title.  Bingowings had a really nice idea of A/The Galaxy Torn Apart.  I would much rather see that, but I personally think Ady will keep all the titles and just add Revisted to the end of them. 

Also, nice edit of the Dooku scene mrbenga. 

AOTC was originally Attack of the Commentator.  True story.

I've also been thinking about titles, has Adywan mentioned anything about renaming any of the prequels?

I don't think he will, since I'm guessing he will just add Revisited to the title.  He can't say Fall of the Jedi Revisited.  Although, I would love to see AOTC renamed.

Oh yeah, I never thought of that.

As for the AotC title debate, I like that it's classic cheesy but I don't like that it says the clones are attacking. Usually when titles are 'Attack of', it refers to something attacking the good guys. And the reason I don't like phantom menace as a title is because it's so different from the rest of the saga's titles.

i rather call star wars episode 2 a galaxy divided i don,t care if the clone war series has the name, it's an expanded universe and as adywan has said, it doesn't exist in the movie cannon.

the name works better than attack of the clones because like the titles from the OT, it sums up what is happening in the movie.

episode 1 does need a new title as well but i'd leave the episode 3 one the way it is. not only because the title feels OTish and sums up the movie, it is also my favorite title out of all the prequels

I highly disagree.  The only title that should stay the same is The Phantom Menace (which, IMO, refers to the Sith as a whole, not Darth Maul specifically).  Attack of the Clones is such a laughably bad title to begin with that it just makes it that much easier to laugh at the movie as a whole, and Revenge of the Sith ... well ... what the hell are they getting revenge for?  Sure, it creates a nice little loop (Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith), but to me that's not clever, it's lazy.

What would work for me?

Star Wars Episode I The Phantom Menace
Star Wars Episode II The Clone Wars
Star Wars Episode III The Rise of an Empire
Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope (I also dislike that subtitle, but I don't think anyone will ever change it)
Star Wars Episode V The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars Episode VI Return of the Jedi

Something like that.  I still am not sold on my own Episode III title, but that's the best I can do right now.

Ghost said:

 

I like the Phantom Menace title.  The only thing that is wrong with it is the title is about a character who is seen like 4 times and then dies.  

 That title is referring to Darth Sidious/Palpatine, not Darth Maul.

I think Phantom Menace is the worst title ever... No one is a phantom... Menace is a stupid word. I'd like it if the Episode 2 was called the clone wars, and Revenge of the Sith is my 2nd favorite title out of the whole saga (Empire being my #1 favorite)

One of the very few things i don't have a problem with in the prequels are the titles. I've never seen custom titles that work better.

Personally I'd call III Return of the Sith, and VI Revenge of the Jedi.

What about Revenge of the Empire for ESB? (this is just a thought, I like ESB better) Change III to Rise of the Empire or Fall of the Republic/Jedi. Definatly change AOTC, it doesn't even sound serious. It sounds like a low budget geeky sci-fi film. How about A/The Galaxy Dividing.

DuTwan said:

mrbenja0618 said:

darthmunky said:

My friend suggested this, says it goes well as a saga:

The First Hope
The Republic Strikes Back
Return of the Sith

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

I ran this test once.

http://vimeo.com/7070492

 Love the green lightsaber looks alot better, love the editing so we dont see force lightening too. Didnt u also do a test where we never see yoda but see dooku escape as Padme and co. fire at his ship.

Thanks for the compliment. No, I never did that, but honestly that could easily be done.

mrbenja0618 said:

DuTwan said:

 Love the green lightsaber looks alot better, love the editing so we dont see force lightening too. Didnt u also do a test where we never see yoda but see dooku escape as Padme and co. fire at his ship.

Thanks for the compliment. No, I never did that, but honestly that could easily be done.

JasonN did that.

TV's Frink said:

mrbenja0618 said:

DuTwan said:

 Love the green lightsaber looks alot better, love the editing so we dont see force lightening too. Didnt u also do a test where we never see yoda but see dooku escape as Padme and co. fire at his ship.

Thanks for the compliment. No, I never did that, but honestly that could easily be done.

JasonN did that.

You are correct. He did purple instead of green, and indeed did remove the Yoda fight. Very good edit I might add.

I'm sure has been already discuted here but:

In EP 3 revisited, maybe Adywan could cut any Vader name references and cut the Anakin story when Palpy find him on Mustafar (cut the "he's alive, bring the medical shuttle" lines). No Vader under the mask in EP 3 at all. That way the Vader/Father thing could still work in Empire.

I personaly think keeping the father surprise for Ep 5 is a must have.

I really want to maintain the surprise too. Would that idea result in a much faster ending?

Well, I guess you could have Yoda landing on Dagobah put back in to add some time.

I think the scene in ESB would still work fine, although very differently from what we're used to. It will go from being a total surprise to being a surprise for only the main character - i.e. what you could call the Scottie Ferguson Narrative. From "What will happen?" [in general] the effect becomes, in Hitchcock's words, "What will he do when he finds out about it?" And that's still pretty cool. We didn't stop enjoying rewatching ep.4 after knowing the reveal in ep.5.

If keeping the surprise for new viewers can be done in a convincing way I would love to see it, of course. Magnoliafan claimed to have a way before he left the board. It would also be pretty cool to have Vader, the new apprentice after Anakin dies, kill the younglings (as suggested in this thread), but it would mean insane amounts of rotoscoping.

One possibility that just popped into my mind is what if Anakin had some sort of split personality (that he was being both Vader and Anakin at the same time).

We could see some of the crimes of Vader being committed by a shadowy hooded character (some of these could even be acts done by Grievous in the original cut).

All the while Anakin is getting nightmares about Padme being killed and being lured along by Palpatine while these vile acts are being done by this mysterious stranger (possibly out of sequence with the events as we saw them in the cinema).

The murder of Younglings could happen at any time (some mysterious agent sneaking into the temple).

The idea being that the death of his mother drove him insane and he only remembers these deeds when it's too late to go back.

Possibly bonkers but just thought I'd share it.

mrbenja0618 said:

I really want to maintain the surprise too. Would that idea result in a much faster ending?

Well, I guess you could have Yoda landing on Dagobah put back in to add some time.

Only about 45 seconds if I remember correctly.

As discussed elsewhere, watching the Saga in order of 4,5,1,2,3,6 would preserve the surprise while keeping Jedi as the ending.