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Oldschooljedi said:

I must say that I've lost track here the last few weeks.

G-force, how are your encodings for ESB and ROTJ going?

Please let us know!

 ESB is as good as I can get it. I'm not completely happy with it, but hey, it's the GOUT after all.

ROTJ may take a while, as life has become much more hectic (in an awesome new daughter kinda way!) lately.

I'll let everyone know once ESB is up in the usual place.

-G

Hey, g-force!

Beautiful news!

Congratulations to your new daughter!!!!

Oldschooljedi said:

Hey, g-force!

Beautiful news!

Congratulations to your new daughter!!!!

 

 

 

 Thanks OSJ! Don't worry, I'll get ROTJ done eventually, and then I'll post all of the scripts.

-G

G-force, I have just seen your recently uploaded Star Wars, and it is amazing!  I have seen a number of other attempts to clean up the theatrical version, and this is the best so far.  I'm so glad it features, "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?", as SW is not the same without this version of the line for me.

I cannot wait for ESB and ROTJ.  Thank you so much!

One thing I am curious about is that when people try to restore the GOUT they never use SE footage.  It seems to me that over 90% of the OT is untouched by alterations, so why not use footage from that - color-corrected of course - and just work on restoring the scenes that do differ as much as possible - rather than the whole film. 

Mielr said:

 

OCP did that with his 'classic' editions. Unfortunately, the OOT segments were from laserdisc (as they were done before the GOUT DVDs were released) and they have some other flaws, but they're still fairly decent, IMO. But right now my favorite editions are the ones dark_jedi made using G-force's scripts.

 

I actually found OCP's OOT segments extremely distracting, which is what eventually led me to dark_jedi's versions.

I am glad you guys liked them,I will eventually try out this new super duper version of the script,if it is ever released for us to give it a try with our own encoders,bit rate,size,and alternate audio selections.

but so far nothing so I am pretty darn happy with my version 2's

I sure would like to see screens of his version uploaded to the newsgroups though,for comparison ofcourse.

TV's Frink said:

Mielr said:

 

OCP did that with his 'classic' editions. Unfortunately, the OOT segments were from laserdisc (as they were done before the GOUT DVDs were released) and they have some other flaws, but they're still fairly decent, IMO. But right now my favorite editions are the ones dark_jedi made using G-force's scripts.

 

I actually found OCP's OOT segments extremely distracting, which is what eventually led me to dark_jedi's versions.

Thank you both for the information.  I saw dark_jedi's versions, and they were good; but this latest offering from G-force really is great.  I have never seen the original trilogy looking so good.  A number of people who stopped by while I was watching it commented on how good it looked, without being aware of the problems with the official discs or realizing that it was a fan-made restoration. 

I know it took Adywan a great deal of work to remove the ronto for his ANH:R, but if this can be done it must be possible to restore the theatrical version somehow. 

Incidentally, I know what GOUT means, but what on Earth does OOT mean?  The original trilogy part is obvious, but as there is no handy list of initialisms round here, some of them have been puzzling me. :-)

msycamore said:

I think the best way would be to use footage from the Japanese Special Collection LD where the DVNR is worst because of the resolution differences.

Huh? :o What would be the Japanese SC LD good for, then?

I know it took Adywan a great deal of work to remove the ronto for his ANH:R, but if this can be done it must be possible to restore the theatrical version somehow.

First we need a full, stand-alone, consistent print with the right colours of the original movies; this is what g-force will finish sometime. After that somebody should start working on the HD version, using as much scenes from the HD version of the Special Edition as possible color corrected to g-force's work, and taking the altered scenes from that, too.

Could someone upload a short sample-clip of the latest g-force release, please?

zee944 said:

First we need a full, stand-alone, consistent print with the right colours of the original movies; this is what g-force will finish sometime. After that somebody should start working on the HD version, using as much scenes from the HD version of the Special Edition as possible color corrected to g-force's work, and taking the altered scenes from that, too.

I don't think there will ever be a print with the colors of the original films.  Even the original negatives will have faded by now, so even work on them involves conjecture.  Adywan's colors, whether conjectural or not, are good enough for most people, I would imagine.  If somebody can do that kind of color correction and scene restoration now, I don't see the need to wait for G-force to make his final version to make a theatrical restoration.

Moth3r said:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6810

Thank you so much, Moth3r! I looked and looked, but didn't think of looking in off topic.  It seems rather on topic to me!  ;-)

msycamore said:

What I meant was I think you can blend "color corrected" footage from the Japanese Special Collection LD with the GOUT better than the SE because of the difference in resolution between the GOUT & SE, the JSC doesn't have DVNR applied to it.

Oh, I see, it makes sense now. But why on earth would you do that, when you already have the fixed GOUT? OK, not totally free of smearing, true. But making a HD version is more useful nowadays.

Chewtobacca said:

I don't think there will ever be a print with the colors of the original films. Even the original negatives will have faded by now, so even work on them involves conjecture. Adywan's colors, whether conjectural or not, are good enough for most people, I would imagine. If somebody can do that kind of color correction and scene restoration now, I don't see the need to wait for G-force to make his final version to make a theatrical restoration.

 

Isn't the GOUT faithful to the original? Or at least the most consistent? Is there any better version (official or non-official) than that? I haven't seen Adywan's work, but even if looks good, it may not be accurate.

At the present state, I think the fixed GOUT should be used as a reference and guide, unless someone can name a better source, which can be presumed "original" as far as colours goes.

zee944 said:

Isn't the GOUT faithful to the original? Or at least the most consistent? Is there any better version (official or non-official) than that? I haven't seen Adywan's work, but even if looks good, it may not be accurate.

At the present state, I think the fixed GOUT should be used as a reference and guide, unless someone can name a better source, which can be presumed "original" as far as colours goes.

This is of course a reasonable approach,and I respect your view, but as the GOUT was never restored prior to release, the fact that it is the best we have shouldn't stop people from experimenting to see what works and employing common sense.  True accuracy is just a dream, so I'll take a release with sensible color correction that looks good.   I'm not saying one shouldn't look at the limited material we have for inspiration, but I don't care much for the idea of presuming one source to be original.  It's a waste of time, in my opinion. 

msycamore said:

I understand what you mean, but the footage we all have of the Original films in the form of the GOUT isn't even DVD resolution. Of course we want a HD version but you can never make the HD footage blend with the GOUT footage even with g-force's superb script to look any good. We don't even have the trilogy in laserdisc quality without flaws.

 Well put msycamore! Especially the last sentance.

-G

G-force, is ESB already available?

I watched your release of ANH and like it a lot. But I couldn't find ESB yet.

msycamore said:

I understand what you mean, but the footage we all have of the Original films in the form of the GOUT isn't even DVD resolution. Of course we want a HD version but you can never make the HD footage blend with the GOUT footage even with g-force's superb script to look any good. We don't even have the trilogy in laserdisc quality without flaws.

You understand, but you still don't get my point. If you would have to watch Star Wars in 2012 on your plazma, what would you choose? The 2004 Special Edition with all the altered scenes and colors, or the same HD footage color corrected and with 10% of the scenes inserted in from the upscaled GOUT? My choice would be the latter. That's my point. Purists will tell you they'd choose the "third" option (watching the fixed GOUT on DVD) every day of the week, but most of us would watch in HD at least once.

I've never said the GOUT will look like the HD material. It won't. But we probably won't get a better source in the next five years.

Hey everyone. I got pointed to this thread from one of the Adywan threads. I'm very new to the whole FanEdit thing, and really impressed by all this! In a few weeks I'm showing the trilogy to a lot of new people for their first time. I was planning on showing Adywans versions of IV (Revisited) and V (AVCHD with old Emp)... but I can't find anything comparable for VI (if anyone has any ideas, let me know... SE quality but without Hayden... any other edits being removed would be nice).

I wanted to keep the quality consistent for all 3 movies, which was preventing me from showing GOUT VI after the IV and V mentioned above. I was also avoiding showing GOUT IV, V, and VI straight from the official DVDs due to the really poor qaulity, and 4:3. I'm showing them on a projector, which may wash them out a little, but the screen in not that large, and showing them letterboxed would be poor.

Someone suggested I take a look at this thread. I found a version of GOUT Image Stabilized IV, but can't find V or VI. Do they exist?

If so, I would really consider showing them! G-Force, and anyone else involved in these... great job, and thank you!! Thanks so much for all the hard work. The more I look around this site, the more impressed I get! It's too bad it takes a fan/the fans to give these movies the restorations they deserve... the Lucas team (well, Lucas himself) should be ashamed!

Thanks for anyones help and direction!

Doctor M said:

I wasn't aware any version of this had been released yet, just the scripts for DIY'ers.

G-Force's release of ANH is DELETED - see FAQ No. 8b.