You dont call it iconic, just "an" establishing shot.

Not suggesting to change. More I  wanted an indication of heights since the bird's eye view shows us nothing. Subconsciously cant work..

I checked the size comparison of shuttle and i run it near an SD's bridge. The results were almost identical with ady's. Still want the milelium falcon with a fixed angle when it flybys from needa's bridge...

I also run again some bridge shots in 3d of how visible can be the hull from there. Zero for SDs and some hull for executor in ROTJ only.

-Angel

Sluggo said:

savmagoett said:

First, the 20m (65 feet) Tydirium shuttle continuity.

 This would be awesome as its own thread over in General Star Wars Discussion.

 

IMHO

Oh, sorry =/ am I going of topic? I would hate to spoil Ady's thread!

I just wish to make my case on the whole star destroyer dimension issue, it shouldn't take more than 4 other posts like this one…

Do you think I should create another tread anyway?

vaderios said:

You dont call it iconic, just "an" establishing shot.

Not suggesting to change. More I  wanted an indication of heights since the bird's eye view shows us nothing. Subconsciously cant work..

 

I checked the size comparison of shuttle and i run it near an SD's bridge. The results were almost identical with ady's. Still want the milelium falcon with a fixed angle when it flybys from needa's bridge...

 

I also run again some bridge shots in 3d of how visible can be the hull from there. Zero for SDs and some hull for executor in ROTJ only.

 

-Angel

I have some arguments about that, but I'll come to it later Angel…

make it yes. and post there more pics :D

-Angel

savmagoett said:

Sluggo said:

savmagoett said:

First, the 20m (65 feet) Tydirium shuttle continuity.

 This would be awesome as its own thread over in General Star Wars Discussion.

 

IMHO

Oh, sorry =/ am I going of topic? I would hate to spoil Ady's thread!

I just wish to make my case on the whole star destroyer dimension issue, it shouldn't take more than 4 other posts like this one…

Do you think I should create another tread anyway?

I think its more that this would be great to discuss/debate, so we should have a thread dedicated to it, full of pictures and stuff.

All right I'm on it…

vaderios said:

I know that the flyby is tough to recreate it without footage or whatever.

But since we see in the next shots that there is heights in the snow, why in the establishing shots are all plain?

 

Even if the mockup doesnt present the correct landscape it gives the idea. Right JJ? :)

 

-Angel

YOUR ARTWORK is way too good man

OK, i have to put the debate about scales to rest now. Forget about the so called sizes of ships that are documented because many are just so wrong. The scale of the Lambda shuttle in the ROTJ opening , which seems to be the basis of the scale, is wrong. See the pics below:

1:- taken from the pic you posted, savmagoett,  of the scale between a human and the shuttle. Now the interior of the bridge and its windows is the same size for the Executor as it is for the stadestroyers. But in the models they only added the correct domed outside of the bridge to the executor. There is one stardestroyer model that has the domed bridge but the scale for that would have made the stardestroyers bridges almost 3x the size of the Executors one. Now the Towers of the stardestroyers and the Executor are exactly the same size so we can use the Executor tower with the domed bridge for the comparison. As you can see the scale of the human is the correct scale with the bridge.

2:- Now zoomed out so we can see the full tower, which you can see the scale of the shuttle in comparison to the tower.

3:- Full zoom out. The highest points of the zoomed tower perfectly matching the highest points in the full model, which is the centre point of the stardestroyer so the scale is correct. Copied and pasted the shuttle from the zoomed section and placed it next to your shuttles scaling.

4:- the scaling zoomed in. As you can see the correct scale of the shuttle in comparison with the stardestroyer should be a lot smaller than your calculations. So the shuttle in ESB:R will be the correct smaller scale which will fit inside the stardestroyers docking bay

I hope this has now put a rest to the great scaling debate ;)

I've never seen the bridge on the model before!  Too cool!

Sky_ said:

vaderios said:

I know that the flyby is tough to recreate it without footage or whatever.

But since we see in the next shots that there is heights in the snow, why in the establishing shots are all plain?

 

Even if the mockup doesnt present the correct landscape it gives the idea. Right JJ? :)

 

-Angel

YOUR ARTWORK is way too good man

 Hi-rez please?

xhonzi said:

 Hi-rez please?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/ in HD

-Angel

An exterior sketch.

Fixing the perspective problems and make the shot more interesting

-Angel

Haha! I'm normally of the mentality that "less is more" (as you guys may or may not know) but for some reason I really like that shot Angel. Definitely more interesting.

vaderios said:

An exterior sketch.

Fixing the perspective problems and make the shot more interesting

-Angel

wow, that looks incredible!!!!

adywan said:

OK, i have to put the debate about scales to rest now. Forget about the so called sizes of ships that are documented because many are just so wrong. The scale of the Lambda shuttle in the ROTJ opening , which seems to be the basis of the scale, is wrong. See the pics below:

 

1:- taken from the pic you posted, savmagoett,  of the scale between a human and the shuttle. Now the interior of the bridge and its windows is the same size for the Executor as it is for the stadestroyers. But in the models they only added the correct domed outside of the bridge to the executor. There is one stardestroyer model that has the domed bridge but the scale for that would have made the stardestroyers bridges almost 3x the size of the Executors one. Now the Towers of the stardestroyers and the Executor are exactly the same size so we can use the Executor tower with the domed bridge for the comparison. As you can see the scale of the human is the correct scale with the bridge.

2:- Now zoomed out so we can see the full tower, which you can see the scale of the shuttle in comparison to the tower.

3:- Full zoom out. The highest points of the zoomed tower perfectly matching the highest points in the full model, which is the centre point of the stardestroyer so the scale is correct. Copied and pasted the shuttle from the zoomed section and placed it next to your shuttles scaling.

4:- the scaling zoomed in. As you can see the correct scale of the shuttle in comparison with the stardestroyer should be a lot smaller than your calculations. So the shuttle in ESB:R will be the correct smaller scale which will fit inside the stardestroyers docking bay

I hope this has now put a rest to the great scaling debate ;)

Well, I still have some cards in my game…

At least I'm pleased you're apparently agreeing about the 20 m length Tydirium shuttle :)

I'm aware of that analysis, and I have arguments about that, I was about to come to that later.

But for the rest of your tread I moved the subject and created my own topic here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Discussing-about-scales-in-star-wars/topic/10969/

Feel free to go there and give your feeling as I make my case :)

could some of the snow storm scenes from the latest Star Trek movie be useful for some ESB:R scenes?

Siliconmaster482 said:

Ganamae said:

could some of the snow storm scenes from the latest Star Trek movie be useful for some ESB:R scenes?

Haha. Blasphemy!

 

As a Trekkie, I find that suggestion quite amusing. :P

As I like both I think they should go hand in hand :)

Ganamae said:

could some of the snow storm scenes from the latest Star Trek movie be useful for some ESB:R scenes?

I did think about that but the styles are quite different so wouldn't fit in. Almost all of the snowstorm scenes in ESB are real filmed scenes whereas in ST they are very heavily CG

adywan said:

I did think about that but the styles are quite different so wouldn't fit in. Almost all of the snowstorm scenes in ESB are real filmed scenes whereas in ST they are very heavily CG

They work tho!

You say that they look so different or for the sake of physical is best? Snow Farticles FTW

There are from the rare scenes that doenst have lens flares (damn)

-Angel

adywan said:

I hope this has now put a rest to the great scaling debate ;)

It did for me. All your extrapolations are logical and valid. *bangs gavel*

However, I am bothered by the flight path of the shuttle during Needa's visit to the Executor. It seems a bit arching and ponderous to me (for all 7 seconds it's on screen). Is that flight path final?

It's not really that big of a deal. I'm just (exasperatingly) curious. :) 

Enigmas said:

However, I am bothered by the flight path of the shuttle during Needa's visit to the Executor. It seems a bit arching and ponderous to me (for all 7 seconds it's on screen). Is that flight path final?

Asking if the shuttle should go under executor instead of going over it?

Good question. assuming and only that executor have multiple hangars ON the surface NOT only in his belly.

-Angel