Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 145

Darth Venal said:

Okay, let's agree to disagree. I also have three very distinct memories from being just under two years old, and I can remember where they were and who was in them, but I still don't have a problem with the Leia dialogue because I'm not taking it too literally.

Leia never recalls a single actual memory of her mother, so to me that is perfectly fine. Anyway, moving on...

I know that this explanation isn't acceptable for some people, but I think that Leia's is able to remember Padme because of her force sensitivity. And as you mentioned, she says no actual memories of Padme, only images and feelings. This is one of those "problems" that only really occurs if you've become so used to intrepreting something a certain way for 2 years, and then when it turns out your first assumption was wrong the new explanation doesn't make sense.

If someone was watching Star Wars chronologically from beginning to end and heard that line, they'd hear "she died when I was very young" and "just images, feelings," and they wouldn't have any trouble grasping that it probably something to do with the force. When most of us heard "she died when I was very young" so many years back though, our first inclination was that Leia would have been about 2-4 years old (at least, that's what it was for me), so when we're presented with something completely different, it seems like a contradiction. It's actually a contradiction of how we originally interpreted the line, though, and that's an important distinction to make.

Making changes to suit an idea is often unsuccessful, because there isn't the necessary material to do it, and very often it loses the aesthetic of the movie it's meant to be a part of.

As Angel says, minimal changes are best.

EDIT:

Timstuff, I agree. Actually, I don't even think we need the Force sensitivity thing, I think the dialogue is easily vague enough to be interpreted how Episode III requires it to be.

vaderios said:

That ways isnt star wars-y. I suggest the minimum efford to do these scenes removing or altering lines. ;)

 

-Angel

That montage would be to parallel the celebration montage in ROTJ so I think it would fit in beautifully.

Unless you don't consider that montage Star Wars-y either?

That isn't even comparable, Brash.

The montage in Jedi wasn't showing the death of one of the three lead characters of the entire trilogy, it was just showing celebrations. Hardly the same level of dramatic importance Especially as it wasn't even in the movie for the first 14 years.

And I ask again, what do you make this montage from? What clips would adequately convey what you're suggesting?

Return of the Jedi / Revenge of the Sith

Happy / Sad

Celebrations and the fall of the Empire / Shit hitting the fan and the rise of the Empire

I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Go back some pages on the Prequel thread and Bingo talked about how it would be done.

Padme's death would be her existing funeral footage.
Rise of the Empire would be time lapse wipe of the Republic ships replaced with Star destroyers/Tie Fighters
Then probably ending with the Death Star being built.

We seem to have veered of topic. This all belongs in the prequel thread.

A wizard did it.

Do I see a Simpsons reference?

Some of the changes on doubleofseven's lovely list have been long longed for.

This post comes from The Legendary Starkiller Ranch Thread http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-legendary-Starkiller-Ranch-Thread/topic/3886/page/31/and dated March 31st 2006 almost matches a post I made some months back (perhaps we should send a team into that thread to see if there is anything we missed).

Mangrove said:I'm no expert at video editing or rotoscopping, but I figure you could probably cobble together enough material to construct a believable scene for the Emperor's arrival in the beginning of RotJ using shots from ESB and a bit of special effects.

I put together this little picture to show what I'm thinking:



Frame 1: RoTJ opening crawl pans down to...
Frame 2: ...flopped establishing shot of SSD & fleet from ESB
Frame 3: shot of SSD & fleet approaching Hoth with the DSII rotoscopped over the planet
Frame 4: another flopped ESB shot with a shuttle (taken from later in RotJ when Han & the gang are flying it) rotoscopped in
Frames 5&6: return to normal RotJ Emperor's arrival scene 

Bingowings said:

(perhaps we should send a team into that thread to see if there is anything we missed).

haha! i am having images of an arctic expedition where we know some people wont be coming back... there are some great ideas on that thread. would be cool to keep it on the first page for bored newcomers to read.

I was interested to find Ady had given the idea of two Death Stars in the battle some thought, the second being the bare bones one from ROTS.

I love that idea, it really does give viewers of a special edition a WTF moment with Luke finding himself somewhere he (and the viewer) didn't expect to be.

And being so incomplete it would be much more plausible to imagine it being destroyed by a huge capital ship like the Executor destroying it by ramming into the thing.

fishmanlee said:

well the everybody in star wars isnt very smart if they cant figure out anakin and padme are married....

 obi-wan did, n i think yoda had a hunch.

Perfect don't change a thing!

There wouldn't be much to change in terms of dialogue.

I suggested changing "There are too many of them!" to "Now there are two of them!" 

And yes the would be less to explode but the added debris could look interesting and add chaos to lead up to the bigger bang to come.

It would also give Luke enough time to get to the shuttle and say goodbye to dad if the Emperor's station is falling apart rather than blowing up.

Remember the Rebels don't know about this one so no need to change the briefing or any of Ackbar's lines.

"We can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" can apply as much to one Death Star as two, maybe even more so.

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