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vaderios said:How about kamino is more grounded as brightness like Nostromo and less like tantive ?
-Angel
Yeah I agree with that. It looks much better.
SilverKey said:I do like your color adjustments of the opening of AOTC, Vaderios. You did take them a bit too far in my opinion, but as I said before, I like how playing with the contrast reveals a little more detail in this case on the ships and the platform. It makes them feel more real.
I like your feedback and im open for constructive criticism. Yes you are right i tried to make it look more real and eliminate the CGI result. Even some ships are actually models they lose their authenticity into this fog thing whatever thing. In what part you think i went too far? Feel free to suggest things. As you know i return to previous mockups and I revisit them ;)
thanks again
I like the idea of dialing down the brightness of the Kamino interiors. But I like the sterile lab environment of the overall look.
In the lab scene in Nostromo (ALIEN)i was sterile enough without looking like glossy plastic. Again color correction ruined the small set piece.
-Angel
vaderios said:How about kamino is more grounded as brightness like Nostromo and less like tantive ?
-Angel
Yeah I agree with that. It looks much better.
Zak said:vaderios said:How about kamino is more grounded as brightness like Nostromo and less like tantive ?
-Angel
Yeah I agree with that. It looks much better.
another thing to consider i guess, (sounds silly) but perhaps making something look pure and white, maybe even sterile, but filmed with real props in a studio that didnt have the capabilities to pull it off without computers. 'what would this scene look like if it were made between 1976-1983'
now this would be a bit more radical. how about replacing the kaminoans with something a bit more animatronic? or making them a bit more stiff and puppet like?
Perhaps desaturation with a hint of the pink we so loath in TPM would work better in a biotech process like cloning :
How about something creepier?
The Borg have invaded Kamino.....AHHHHHHHHH
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I felt so sorry for Ewan McGregor in the Kamino scenes, he looks so uncomfortable on screen, clearly sitting on his own on set, talking to no one.
As for the "dirtying up" of Kamino, I disagree,I think it should be kept as a cold and sterile environment, maybe even made more so. however, I do think it should be the only one in the whole prequel trilogy to be like that, except for the obvious ones like Palpatine's office or whatnot (of course those would be super clean).
ANH and Alien, both out in the late seventies, were the films that really made the whole "used future" concept popular in sci-fi films. And it's really great in both films (and ESB/ROTJ, and the Alien sequels too), it makes the sets feel so real and tangible, live people really live in them. That was a big thing in the OT, and it just flew out the window for the PT. I think it needs to return, especially on Coruscent, which, just by the fact that it's a city planet, should be absolutely filthy apart from the likes of the Senate and the Temple. Same with the other plantets, they should have the used look as well (how about Naboo looks a bit more beat up, apart from the palace of course, it all looks a little too overly idyllic).
And then comes Kamino, which is exactly the "ultra white, clean, perfect future" that SW and Alien subverted in the first place, which would comes as a complete culture shock to the viewer, and perhaps give them a bit of apprehension about the place, which is what you want.
In conclusion to yet another way too long post of mine, I think instead of Kamino getting dirtied up, everywhere else in the PT should be dirited up instead, with Kamino being the unsettling exception.
Ithilgore said:As for the "dirtying up" of Kamino, I disagree,
I prefer to say make it more real rather dirtying it. More grounded as set and visuals. Like THX 1138. pure white thing but it has its texture parts that ground them. And i did that mostly to avoid the similarities with the tantive IV.
ANH and Alien, both out in the late seventies, were the films that really made the whole "used future" concept popular in sci-fi films
yeah. thats the point of my mockups
-Angel
I think the problem with Kamino isn't so much that it looks too clean and sterile but that it looks too fake. I know there was a lot of practical work done in the prequels — McGregor was probably on a real set at least most of the time — but it *looks* like freshly-rendered CG and nothing in a movie that's trying to be photorealistic ever should. Anything that could be done to make it look more like a real set is welcome and I think Angel's work is an example of that — albeit an extreme example, as any further in that direction looks too dirty. I suggest that someone who is doing this sort of work view some older films which try to present that sort of environment — ones made before digital grading and enhancements made it possible to look like Kamino — and see the little imperfections and things that mark it out as being a physical set, and try to work them into AOTC. 2001 might be an example of such a film. I haven't seen THX 1138 but from what I can gather it also has some examples — maybe someone else can confirm?
Agreed sterile doesn't have to look glowy and fake :
Now that was an amazing set.
In some parts maybe too rough but it became with ROTS standards :D as well from OT too.
-Angel
Agreed. It's not the clinicalness that bothers me about Kamino. It just looks so fake and blurry. Not at all tangible. Much like most of the CG in the prequels.
i love it (vaderios's mockup) looks very realistic while the left pic looks like something from lego star wars lol
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vaderios said:How about kamino is more grounded as brightness like Nostromo and less like tantive ?
-Angel
This is some kind of wondeful, Angel! :D
Although, I like the idea from Davnes007....green might look cool and unsettleing...kind of a Matrix look? I'm thinking specifically the blue pannels could be green...?
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Those colour corrections really seem to give the sets texture and enough of a lived-in look to look like actual places and not a plastic set. Great job vaderios
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Oops, I saw bingo did a cloning center one too. That looks cool. So long as it compliments the rest of the kamino colour sheme, it should be cool.
It's amazing how just toning down the brightness makes so much difference.
edit2: that window in Jango's quarters: is there a way to dial down the matte-y buildings in the background and just make it look stormy outside. As it is now, it looks too digital. There's a typhoon outside and the glass doesn't even have water spots on it.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:Although, I like the idea from Davnes007....green might look cool and unsettleing...kind of a Matrix look? I'm thinking specifically the blue pannels could be green...?
Im trying to avoid color layers to lead to these kind of effects. not that im not love them ofc :)
Well im hoping that ady will deal the kamino thing with props. if you notice the useless space that is in that place you will see that something wrong is going on. Again remind me what blue panels? :)
Something that ive noticed and i was sure ROTS were more accurate is that there is no film grain to any of the CGI parts of the film. So we see filmed actors with lot of grain and a background that is plain like a baby's ass.
Im trying to find references of what and how several effects should look in retro films and trying to simulate that feeling without forgetting the 21st century.
-Angel
Well, in fairness, Angel, none of it was shot on film. All of Episodes 2 and 3 were shot digitally, which is stored on tape (most people don't believe that) not on a disk. So there isn't actually any film grain in either of those movies. But I know what you mean about the CGI being too clean.
In the earlier days of CGI, long before HD, CG scenes were deliberately "dirtied up" to make it blend with the film better. But with HD now they rarely do it.
Anyways.
I d like to make that shot similar to ROTS because it looks so fake and hasbro toy like. Plus less CGI like yoda.
In the second i tried to unfocus the eyes from the windows without make it invisible ofc. Pallette from Nostromo once again.
-Angel
The problem with the second one is that the whole corridor looks fake. No matter how you change the colors it'll always look fake.
Zak said:The problem with the second one is that the whole corridor looks fake. No matter how you change the colors it'll always look fake.
Awesome....
Suggestions?
-Angel
Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like an ass :P I know it would take a huge amount of effort but i thing that it would look more realistic with a "simpler" shape? Like changing the top of the corridor to something flat instead of round (something solid with lights?)? And making the windows less reflective? It looks like they're in a bubble.
Zak said:Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like an ass :P I know it would take a huge amount of effort but i thing that it would look more realistic with a "simpler" shape? Like changing the top of the corridor to something flat instead of round (something solid with lights?)? And making the windows less reflective? It looks like they're in a bubble.
Blu screen game time :)
-Angel
What bothers me is the super high DOF, everything is in focus, even far into the background.
Octorox said:What bothers me is the super high DOF, everything is in focus, even far into the background.
Very nice. I thought adding a lens blur but i thought a bit reaction of why we dont see the clones in the BG. no idea then
-Angel
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