Baronlando said:Well without a time machine, you can't really be optimistic about something that already happened. (p.s. the negative wasn't any worse off than Jaws or Grease but somehow it wasn't necessary to reconfigure an animated dinosaur's ass into those movies)
Sure, I can. Optimism is a choice, and I choose to be a positive-paully.
"It's my life's choice" - Eric Cartman, from South Park.
G E Predator said:I'm not a kid. I'm 27. And I have not been fed "bullshit." I just don't always assume the worst. It's not wrong to be an optimist.
You have been fed bullshit if you seriously believe the only reason the original versions of the Star Wars film are not on DVD in high quality is simply because despite all their best efforts, they simply just were not able to save this poor film from deterioration.
And I totally get what you mean about being positive about past events. Personally, I like to be a positive polly too! In fact, I am still holding out my hopes that this whole Hitler and war in Europe thing will blow over without America needing to get involved. Also, every night when I say my prayers, I am always sure to ask for the safety of the Apollo 1 crew.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX said:G E Predator said:I'm not a kid. I'm 27. And I have not been fed "bullshit." I just don't always assume the worst. It's not wrong to be an optimist.
You have been fed bullshit if you seriously believe the only reason the original versions of the Star Wars film are not on DVD in high quality is simply because despite all their best efforts, they simply just were not able to save this poor film from deterioration.
And I totally get what you mean about being positive about past events. Personally, I like to be a positive polly too! In fact, I am still holding out my hopes that this whole Hitler and war in Europe thing will blow over without America needing to get involved. Also, every night when I say my prayers, I am always sure to ask for the safety of the Apollo 1 crew.
Honestly, I'm happy with my DVD's..both the 2004 remastered versions and the Unaltered Theatrical Versions. Nothing's about the films has really changed for me. And I'm sure that Lucasfilms will provide better quality versions when the Saga is released to Blu-Ray.
G E Predator said:Nothing's about the films has really changed for me.
Well, that actor named Hayden Christenson, standing there next to Alec Guiness in ROTJ really changed things for me when I watch it!
CO said:G E Predator said:Nothing's about the films has really changed for me.
Well, that actor named Hayden Christenson, standing there next to Alec Guiness in ROTJ really changed things for me when I watch it!
Whenever I see that scene, I don't see Hayden or Sebastian standing next to Alec. I see Anakin standing next to Obi-Wan.
Okay, okay. Maybe it's just because I'm extremely weary, but I can certainly see this conversation getting ugly at some point in the future. I normally wouldn't butt in, but, like I said, bad mood. Obviously G E has his perception of how he sees the films. Some of this is not discussing fact but opinion, so I don't see any need to regale him of our viewpoint ad nauseum, since if he has his mindset... um, set, well, there you go.
So... Lucas lies, and G E can maintain his childlike innocence and suspension of disbelief when watching Star Wars no matter which version he's watching. There? Are we all happy?
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:Okay, okay. Maybe it's just because I'm extremely weary, but I can certainly see this conversation getting ugly at some point in the future. I normally wouldn't butt in, but, like I said, bad mood. Obviously G E has his perception of how he sees the films. Some of this is not discussing fact but opinion, so I don't see any need to regale him of our viewpoint ad nauseum, since if he has his mindset... um, set, well, there you go.
So... Lucas lies, and G E can maintain his childlike innocence and suspension of disbelief when watching Star Wars no matter which version he's watching. There? Are we all happy?
Of course. And rest assure that I have no intention of turning this conversation ugly. I know how to play it cool...calm...collected. *slips on a pair of shades*
G E Predator said:Honestly, I'm happy with my DVD's..both the 2004 remastered versions and the Unaltered Theatrical Versions. Nothing's about the films has really changed for me.
Why does every TFN-superfan-type guy feel the need to share their own feelings of contentment as a way of telling you you're wrong about some crappy dvds? It gives me the creeps.
Because Baronlando, discontentment is immoral. Jesus wants you to be happy. That is why he convinced George to give us the GOUT. When you are not happy with your GOUT, it makes Jesus very sad :(
The TFN-superfan-type have seen the light and recieved a calling to go out into all the world and convince those in the darkness that the 2004 SE is the one true version of the films. Those other films... well... lets just say they are on VHS. VHS is Satan's preferred format and what the citizens of hell are damned to watch for all of... damnation.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
ChainsawAsh said:I still say just using the 3-strip archival prints would be fine for the OOT - many films have been transferred at very high quality using similar prints, without ever touching the o-neg.
If they're 3-strip B&W separation negs then they'd be useful (if they were made properly- otherwise they're unusable), but if they're Technicolor IB prints (which is the impression I got) then they aren't good for striking new negatives, because the dye is too dense (according to Robert A. Harris, anyway). They're really only useful as color reference (and that only refers to SW, since the dye-transfer labs were long gone by the time ESB and ROTJ were made).
Besides, I think all of the information given to the public about the condition/availability of elements to make new OOT prints is highly suspect. They've only told us what they want us to know, in order to foster panic to justify their actions with the SEs (and inaction with the GOUT). I don't trust anything the Lucasfilm stooges put out there- it's like a dictatorship.
In a Gary Kurtz interview from 1981, while talking about film preservation, (a starlog magazine with Cronenberg's Scanners on the cover!) he says the 3-black and white negative seps were made for both movies. I suppose it's possible they didn't do it for Jedi but that would be weird.
That's good to know- I hadn't read that interview. I'd only read about the Technicolor print of SW that GL had in storage, that he wanted to use as color-reference for the SEs.
I imagine they'd have made B&W seps for Jedi too, since that was the era when all the filmmakers were freaking out about how badly the Kodak elements were fading.
Kurtz wasn't involved with the production of Jedi, so he likely wouldn't know whether a 3-strip was struck for it or not. That's a question for Howard Kazanjian (can't be bothered to check if that's how it's really spelled, it's 2AM here and I'm tired as hell).
Wouldn't the IP's be all we need to worry about? The solution would be even simpler than what zombie suggests. All they'd need to do is take the IP's, make sure they're usable (this is a where an actual restoration would be involved) and then scan them to make a new OOT transfer. The real trick would be finding said IP's. Lucasfilm's official response to us back in '06 was "existing prints are in bad condition." That could literally mean anything, but if well-preserved IP's are out there somewhere then the OOT could hypothetically be remastered.
G E Predator said:C3PX said:G E Predator said:I'm not a kid. I'm 27. And I have not been fed "bullshit." I just don't always assume the worst. It's not wrong to be an optimist.
You have been fed bullshit if you seriously believe the only reason the original versions of the Star Wars film are not on DVD in high quality is simply because despite all their best efforts, they simply just were not able to save this poor film from deterioration.
And I totally get what you mean about being positive about past events. Personally, I like to be a positive polly too! In fact, I am still holding out my hopes that this whole Hitler and war in Europe thing will blow over without America needing to get involved. Also, every night when I say my prayers, I am always sure to ask for the safety of the Apollo 1 crew.
Honestly, I'm happy with my DVD's..both the 2004 remastered versions and the Unaltered Theatrical Versions. Nothing's about the films has really changed for me. And I'm sure that Lucasfilms will provide better quality versions when the Saga is released to Blu-Ray.
Finally!... someone here besides Negative1 that shares my opinion.
Ok, but even if you're totally on board with every "creative" decision made vis-a-vis the 2004 DVDs, doesn't the screwed up color timing and flipped audio channels irk you at least a little? I mean, Vader with a pink saber...what's that all about?
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
The audio channels are the worst for me on my tv. I can't watch them.
Akwat, lap dogs are always thrilled to get whatever scraps their master will give them.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Akwat Kbrana said:Ok, but even if you're totally on board with every "creative" decision made vis-a-vis the 2004 DVDs, doesn't the screwed up color timing and flipped audio channels irk you at least a little?
Nope. Doesn't bother me one tiny bit.
Wow. Well, if you want to celebrate mediocrity, be my guest. Personally, I find slip-shod jobs and deplorable quality things to be eschewed, but to each his own...
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Akwat Kbrana said:Wow. Well, if you want to celebrate mediocrity, be my guest. Personally, I find slip-shod jobs and deplorable quality things to be eschewed, but to each his own...
Sorry, but I in fact do not celebrate mediocrity. I just choose to appreciate the movies for their plots rather than hate them for minor inconveniences. Now don't get me wrong. I also appreciate the fan films and fan edits, especially Adywan's Revisited version. I simply consider every edition to be "definitive" because no matter how many times the special effects change, the story stays the same.
except when thay change the dialogue to say "the young rebel who detroyed the death star"......jar jar binks........can it be done? vader: he will die....master.....
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
G E Predator said:I simply consider every edition to be "definitive" because no matter how many times the special effects change, the story stays the same.
I would agree with you if Lucas just did minor changes to special effects, but as I stated earlier in this thread, he removed an actor (Sebastian Shaw/older Anakin) for a newer actor (Hayden/young Anakin) which does change the context of the Return of the Jedi now.
Lucas is now saying that Anakin died in Episode III, and he and Darth Vader were essentially two different people, hence he comes back in the spirit that was the last time Anakin Skywalker was a good guy.
Which is the stupidest logic in the world, because the whole point of Return of the Jedi is that Vader is conflicted the WHOLE movie!!! He is still Anakin deep deep deep down inside himself, as there is a glimmer of good that Luke brings out and he kills the Emperor.
So you're wrong about the changes, Lucas DID change the story, albeit making the story worse and it makes no sense now, it is a different story.
Also how can Luke relate to some creepy looking young guy after just saying goodbye to his old dad?
G E Predator said:Akwat Kbrana said:Wow. Well, if you want to celebrate mediocrity, be my guest. Personally, I find slip-shod jobs and deplorable quality things to be eschewed, but to each his own...
Sorry, but I in fact do not celebrate mediocrity. I just choose to appreciate the movies for their plots rather than hate them for minor inconveniences. Now don't get me wrong. I also appreciate the fan films and fan edits, especially Adywan's Revisited version. I simply consider every edition to be "definitive" because no matter how many times the special effects change, the story stays the same.
I am not taking sides with anyone in this matter. I will simply state that when I got the 2004 dvd boxset I nearly shat myself. It was beautiful. But this is because I had been watching these movies on 3 1990 VHSs. I had watched these movies hundreds of times. The picture looked horrible so a clean crisper looking star wars trilogy was beautiful to me. So as far as looks and sound I was happy. I am still happy. I still want to see the theatrical cut in atleast 720p. I would be delighted to go out and buy another set if I they were given that treatment.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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