The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 95

Well according to Luke in ANH there is an Imperial Academy so I could see them as being like the military in the many nations of our world. The Imperial Academy could be more of a high rank kiss-ass facility that gets them ready to be choked by vader when they are on the death star/star destroyers. And the regular storm troopers look like a recruit job. We have military academies here in the US and we also recruit so it could be looked at in the same vain.

TMBTM said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Well according to Luke in ANH there is an Imperial Academy so I could see them as being like the military in the many nations of our world. The Imperial Academy could be more of a high rank kiss-ass facility that gets them ready to be choked by vader when they are on the death star/star destroyers. And the regular storm troopers look like a recruit job. We have military academies here in the US and we also recruit so it could be looked at in the same vain.

 

Does he really talk about an "Imperial" Academy (I have seen ep 4 in french more often than in english so maybe I missed something), or is it just a "Pilot" Academy? Because it's obvious that Luke don't like the Empire and I don't think he'd wish to leave the farm to be part of the Empire!

Well I am including the deleted scene with biggs. He talks about joining the Imperial Academy which Biggs is in and he tells him that he is going to go AWOL and join the rebellion. Then in a non-deleted scene he says he wants to send in has application to the Academy. So even though in the version most people know he doesn't say the Imperial Academy he really means the Imperial Academy.

Here's a great way to start off the weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdGOjH6xng

Thanks to bendanger for some ideas from his edit!...who else am I missing?
Major changes:
-Anakin/Padme love exchange is shorter...also no kiss! save it for the end of the movie!
-the monster scenes have been trimmed and re-edited
-padme doesn't simply jump (from 20 something feet) but actually starts to climb down like a human.
-jedi arrive on geonosis
-Mace and Dooku exchange is gone! why was it there in the first place?...they are coming to save Obi-wan...not talk trash to Dooku
-Mace/Jango fight is gone!
-Jango can be seen in the background but he might best be removed entirely...

forgive the sound mix...I wasn't about to go in and add saber and blaster sounds to every shot. :D  I simply removed alot of the mids.

Comments...?

What, no "this is such a drag?" What a shame... ;)

I liked this edit. It did feel a bit odd with no dialogue for so long somehow. I do like, as I mentioned at YT, that Padme doesn't just jump from 20+ feet. Heh.

I also mentioned the following: "I'm hoping someone ... can do something about the HORRIBLE warbling monster effects. Makes me want to punch my monitor. Even just stretch out the first sound and maybe raise and lower the pitch ever so slightly for natural intonation? I don't know how that would sound."

I know, the same old complaint... :p Maybe I'm just trying to find someone who agrees with me.

how about with yoda he's there but in his [own] meditation chamber shrouded in shadows?

"pay no attention to the green frog thing behind the curtain!"

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Here's a great way to start off the weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdGOjH6xng

Watched and rated

Overall I really liked it. For the first time I actually felt something in my heart when Padmé confesses her love to Anakin!

I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.

Can we get a smirk out of Nute Gunray? He's pleased by Padmés dilemma, but if it weren't for the chuckle I don't think we'd have any clue.

Can there be a little bit of dialogue distributed throughout the battle with the droids, just to break up the action? Assuming there is any acceptable dialogue to draw from.

Also, can something be done about strange Jedi girl at 6:21 who doesn't look like she "really" swinging at anything?

Another thought I just had about Padmé and Anakin: I like the idea of, after Padmé has finally confessed her love for Anakin, he's waited so long to hear these words and fantasized about this moment so much in his head, he has no idea what to say now that it's actually happened. Speechless.

Bingowings said:

Nice to see poor Threepio with his dignity maintained too.

Agreed.  I think that after 3PO get's his head knocked off we should not see him again until R2 his putting him back together.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Here's a great way to start off the weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdGOjH6xng

Thanks to bendanger for some ideas from his edit!...who else am I missing?
Major changes:
-Anakin/Padme love exchange is shorter...also no kiss! save it for the end of the movie!
-the monster scenes have been trimmed and re-edited
-padme doesn't simply jump (from 20 something feet) but actually starts to climb down like a human.
-jedi arrive on geonosis
-Mace and Dooku exchange is gone! why was it there in the first place?...they are coming to save Obi-wan...not talk trash to Dooku
-Mace/Jango fight is gone!
-Jango can be seen in the background but he might best be removed entirely...

forgive the sound mix...I wasn't about to go in and add saber and blaster sounds to every shot. :D  I simply removed alot of the mids.

Comments...?

Excellent stuff - rated and fave'd  :D

I especially admire what you've done by cutting to an all new shot of the Jedi coming out of hyperspace, along with that cool shot of Mace piloting his ship. :)

Wow! Thanks guys for the great feedback! I'll see if I can address this stuff:

Bingowings said:

Mace looks great in his pilot's chair (sure it takes some surprise out of his turning up in time but we know he is on his way already anyway).

Perhaps it would work better if we saw the Jedi entering the system before the Arena battle began leaving the lead up free to follow with the anticipation building up in the background (keeping the audience thinking "Mace where are you?"). 

Yes, we do know he is on his way in the original edit. My thoughts on that would be to cut that sentence out entirely from the movie. That way right before the monsters attack our heros we have this WTF moment with the Jedi entering the system. We then have this hope of them getting there in time to save them. At least that is what I was originally thinking. I also would have liked to show a shot or two of the Jedi landing near the stadium and going in...

Bingowings said:

Rhikter said :

Agreed. I think that after 3PO get's his head knocked off we should not see him again until R2 his putting him back together.

I wouldn't even have that.

Either I'd remove Threepio altogether or I'd have him fall into the bowels of the droid factory and when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.

Wow. That's kind of cool idea...the droids being useful again! :D

Bingowings said:

Kind of missing the Jengo fight but it never made sense (like Boba, I never understood why a bounty hunter would act as a body guard. his role in life is to find people for money).

Agreed. Plus the whole Mace/Jango fight never made sense in any way. First, it should've been Obi-wan finishing him off. Second, Mace killing Jango with Dooku's reaction is editted so oddly that I remember thinking the first time I saw it, "There's some sort of subtext I'm missing here. There must be something here that will be addressed in the next movie." I thought Mace might turn to the darkside. I thought he might've teamed up with Dooku...I didn't know...but it seemed to have that sort of vibe.

Bingowings said:

It would be very difficult to do but it would be a much more dramatic entrance to have the Jedi land in the arena shoot up the intial threat of the destroyer droids on the way down and jump out of their fighters (like Anakin and Obi-Wan do in ROTS).

Also I cool idea...but I know *I* don't have a way to pull that off! ;)

Ripplin said:

I liked this edit. It did feel a bit odd with no dialogue for so long somehow.

 Ah yes! The same problem I ran into with the droid factory scene. Don't know what I can do...I certainly won't be adding the Mace/Dooku lines back in! ;)

Ripplin said:

I also mentioned the following: "I'm hoping someone ... can do something about the HORRIBLE warbling monster effects. Makes me want to punch my monitor. Even just stretch out the first sound and maybe raise and lower the pitch ever so slightly for natural intonation? I don't know how that would sound."

I know, the same old complaint... :p Maybe I'm just trying to find someone who agrees with me.

 I went looking for something to replace it a while ago. I just couldn't find anything. I didn't want to use any sounds from Jurassic Park. I can *always* pick those dino sounds out of any movie or tv show when they are used. ;)

fishmanlee said:

how about with yoda he's there but in his [own] meditation chamber shrouded in shadows?

"pay no attention to the green frog thing behind the curtain!"

You mean at the arena? Why would Yoda have his own meditation chamber there? huh?

Rhikter said:

Watched and rated

Overall I really liked it. For the first time I actually felt something in my heart when Padmé confesses her love to Anakin!

 That's a huge compliment! Thank you! :D

Rhikter said:
I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.

I think I understand what you're saying. It sucks editing this way with no one there to see what you're doing and what you're up against with the footage available. I don't disagree with you. I'm just not sure what I can do...? Any ideas?

Rhikter said:

Can we get a smirk out of Nute Gunray? He's pleased by Padmés dilemma, but if it weren't for the chuckle I don't think we'd have any clue.

Agreed. Sadly I don't have Adywan's magical powers! ;)

Rhikter said:

Can there be a little bit of dialogue distributed throughout the battle with the droids, just to break up the action? Assuming there is any acceptable dialogue to draw from.

Also, can something be done about strange Jedi girl at 6:21 who doesn't look like she "really" swinging at anything?

Dialogue? From the battle droids? Really? ;)

Seriously, I know what you mean. Yes some dialouge from anyone would be great. Ideas?

And yes the Jedi girl at 6:21 is absolutely terrible. I just used it becuase I didn't want to loose more Jedi footage. You might notice I did cut her terrible "Haaa!" noise! :D

SilverKey said:

Nice edit, SSWR!

I liked how you tighterend up the battle between the Jedi and the droids. That, and the removal of the 3PI "comedy" makes the scene a lot more intense.

Thanks!

SilverKey said:

The scene where Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme fight the monsters wasn't editted as good, in my opinion. You moved a lot of stuff around, and kept intercutting, making the scene feel longer than it is, and a little sluggish. There are some good finds in it though, and I liked how you tried to tighten it up. Overall, nice job!

 Hmmm...I'm not sure I agree...-Well, I'll say this: The only reason I restructured any of those shots was so I could get Padme off the pillar like a human. I never really had a problem with the monster battle as far as editing goes...at least no substantial problems. But I do appreciate your opinion! Would you happen to have any suggestions for that scene?

SilverKey said:

On the subject of sound effects, the feature Soundboards on StarWars.com has a lot of sound effects and dialogue samples without background sound or music. I don't know if he quality of the sounds is good enough for the fanedits going around here, and there aren't a lot of soundbites from the PT (yet), but they may be useful. You can find them here: http://starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/#

I would love to have these sounds! Has anyone found a way to download or record them yet?

TMBTM said:

About the Arena youtube clip: VERY nice! I like how Padme do not just "Jump!" that high.

But I don't like the first facial shot of Mace once in the arena cause we see some Jedi fighting in the background before the actual fight happens. Anyway it's a major improvement over the original and with a few more work on it I think it could be on the level of a AOTC: revisited version.

Good job!

This is still a very rough version. I don't have software to allow me to erase those Jedi in the background. But that would be the plan.

Bingowings said:

when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.

Take the shot of R2 in ESB when he has his little radar thingy up scanning for Luke, flip the shot and recolor/tint it? Then, um...hire Anthony Daniels to say something like 'you've contacted Master Anakin? Wonderful!' Haha.

xDeeMx said:

Also, how about editing the Clone Wars series into one or more intermediate movies? This probably won't be done since the show isn't that good but if the good stuff is distilled and compressed into a movie it could be cool.

I'm not sure which "The Clone Wars" you've been watching, but I've been enjoying it quite a bit.  There's much more emotional resonance in any one of those episodes than the entire PT put together, save for when Jar Jar is on screen or when battle droids get dialogue.

Example of a fantastic episode: "Rookies"

ChainsawAsh said:

Please, no more lightsaber colors - I still advocate for blue and red ONLY in the PT, thus keeping the symbolism of Luke's green one in ROTJ - a new color for a new type of Jedi.

I think of the red Sith sabers similar to the way Sauron is described in the LotR DVD - one eye, one point of view, one ring to rule time all - while the multi-colored sabers of the Jedi represent an open, all embracing mindset.

TMBTM said:

Now, I don't know if it was already discussed here, but in a ROTS making of book it is said that in an earlier draft of the script Palpatine tells Vader that a Jedi killed Padme. I think it would works better than "you killed her" because it would emphasis the hate of vader for the Jedi and his submission to his master, instead of letting the audience thinking "hey Vader ,wake up! How can you say in ESB that it's such a cool power when it is the one that made you kill your wife?! "

I feel like that would undermine the idea of "Darth Vader: The Tragic Hero."

I know not everyone here is as Gung Ho about the EU as I am, but I got chills, when I played TFU and heard Proxy say, after having assumed the form of Vader, "I hate being him," and then get the response from Starkiller, "I think he does too."

Darth Vader can't really be "tragic" if he enjoys being on the dark side.  He has to hate himself.  Yes, you could say it conflicts with his "You don't know the power..." line, but come on, he's lying.  He has his own agenda and needs Luke to fulfill that agenda, so he tries lying to him to seduce him.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Rhikter said:
I was okay with the changes made to the Jedi's arrival up until the actual battle began. The transition into the battle feels clumsy, like it didn't deliver on all the anticipation that was building in me as I knew the Jedi were closing in. In order for those changes to feel natural there needs to be a better segue into the Jedi reveal at the coliseum.

I think I understand what you're saying. It sucks editing this way with no one there to see what you're doing and what you're up against with the footage available. I don't disagree with you. I'm just not sure what I can do...? Any ideas?

Uh... short of putting the Dooku/Windu dialogue back in, not really.  But I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
You could say my purpose on these threads is to inspire creativity, not necessarily be creative myself.  ; )

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End all solution to how to fix Star Wars:  Put Starkiller in everything. ; )

EDIT:

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.

Take the shot of R2 in ESB when he has his little radar thingy up scanning for Luke, flip the shot and recolor/tint it? Then, um...hire Anthony Daniels to say something like 'you've contacted Master Anakin? Wonderful!' Haha.

Anthony Daniels has voiced 3PO in SO MANY different projects I'm sure you could find something to use.  Examples that come to mind include "Droids," "Clone Wars," and the new CG series "The Clone Wars."

fishmanlee said:

how about with yoda he's there but in his [own] meditation chamber shrouded in shadows?

"pay no attention to the green frog thing behind the curtain!"

You mean at the arena? Why would Yoda have his own meditation chamber there? huh?

heavens no. i mean everyone was saying have yoda as a presence but not seen so its more of a surprise
so if there is any dialogue that is needed have him be talking in the shadows (like when he and ani are talking about his dreams but even more "shadowy")