Bingowings said:
I'm moving my response to this chain of discussion here for obvious reasons.
doubleofive said:
mrbenja0618 said:
EyeShotFirst said:
I hope ady showcases the space battle and the death star battle for our main attention. All I need to see is the rebels on Endor turning off the shield generator. Then back to the important dark duel. Coz the Endor Forrest battle is a mood killer.
It really does kill the mood.... But the space battle in ROTJ is still IMHO the greatest of all the films. I'm still amazed at how well the ships maneuvered with them being models on wires. Great work.
Seriously I agree. I mean, each ship is a separately shot element composited who knows how much time later. It's impressive. And to only have a couple mislayered/disappearing elements is extremely impressive.
All three layers of the battle need to be expanded in my view.
How does a small group of Rebels defeat an entire legion of the Empire's best troops to bring down the reactor to allow the Rebel fleet to survive being attacked by a large Imperial fleet and a full armed and operational Death Star?
The ground battle is only a mood breaker because it currently makes little sense and has no real visual and emotional impact.
I have to agree here. The ground battle has no rhyme or reason to it. It is also incredibly small in scale, even for it's time. Look at the Hoth battle, then look at the Endor battle, and the Hoth battle's epicness dwarfs the battle of Endor by quite a bit. There seriously needed to be more troops for BOTH sides, but more importantly for the rebels. During the battle, it almost appears that the ewoks take over the battle and the rebels basically disappear, besides Han, Chewie, Leia, and the droids. And even the heroes, who up until this point in the OT have been the center of focus in the story, seem to take a backseat to the ewoks, as they really do all of the action it seems. Han and Leia shoot a few Stormtroopers while trying to open a door and smirk at each other, while only Chewie gets to do anything cool (hijack an AT-ST).
If anything, the mission should have been less of a battle, and more of a stealth mission, as the characters expected it to be. More excitement could have been made from a handful of rebels trying to break into a highly guarded base than having a bunch of teddy bears outsmart a few dozen Stormtroopers and a couple AT-STs in the woods on a nice sunny day.
I've already talked about how to expand on at least the Millennium Falcon's part in the space battle, though I think other places in the battle could be expanded as well, such as the idea of having a Mon Cal ship and a Star Destroyer attacking each other similar to the space battle in ROTS. There is even a brief shot in ROTJ where the two ships align next to each other like that!!!
The Luke/Vader rematch, as far as I'm concerned, is fine as is, except for the annoying swinging Luke does after screaming "NEVER!" as I mentioned before. Seriously, he looks like a blind kid trying to hit a baseball at times! At least that part of the duel could use some tweaking in editing.
