The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 90

brash_stryker said:

The changes I think need to be made:

Omit the name Skywalker

I'm so so on this.  If a way can be found to keep it, and still have it make sense, I'd prefer that option.  If not, then so be it.

Cut Anakin's whininess/slimyness and generally being an asshole. Existing edits have already proved this is possible

Definitely.

Make his turn more gradual and make it a seduction rather than a calculated decision. The way it is now is just awful.

Agreed.

No Vader in armour. The last we see of Anakin is being defeated on Mustafar.

I've thought a lot about this one.  I'd love to see if the footage of Vader's construction can somehow be included in RotJ in flashback form.  I plan on making my own mock-up of how this could work in the near future, when I get some spare time that is.

EDIT:
Does anyone know of any similar mock-ups that have already been, and if so where to find them?

Never have Padme tell Anakin about the baby. Never have the babies named and never see where they end up.

Probably for the best.  It would be great if someone could, through some FX genius-ness, make Padmé not look pregnant?

EDIT:
Ah crap!  I keep forgetting that the biggest problems with this entire concept are the issue of why Obi-Wan is watching over Luke, and the whole "A young Jedi...who was a pupil of mine...betrayed and murdered your father" fiasco.

Ripplin said:

Rhikter said:

 

It came off to me as like a bright coloring book...

Speaking of coloring books, can anyone remember which project it was where the editor was making a coloring/comic book version of a PT movie? It was some sort of filter he applied that made the colors really pop. It was meant to be a bonus or something. I'm blanking on which it was. Something from quite a while back...

 

That was mrbenja0618, in an edit inspired by the Reborn project. Not sure what  ever became of it...

^Thanks. I thought it may have been related to the Reborn project somehow. I'll have to look that up again. I'm still subscribed to benja's thread. ;)

That looks much better, looking forward to the video

^Bah, that stinks. Sorry to hear it. :( I did make a comment in your own thread, too. (especially since you said some of it was ready back in...January?)

Cade Skywalker said:

Video of the previous scene

Oh and, before you say anything about R2, I noticed it too. :D

I liked how you made the scene feel less like it was shot on green screen, and more in a real, foggy environment.  I did feel like it may have been a little too desaturated though, making the scene look drab with washed out colors.  However, it's possible that the resolution of the youtube video is just not doing it justice.

Wish there was audio. :_(

EDIT:
Gave you a rating btw.

Good job Cade. I liked the dreary feeling.

You could offer that sort of explanation, but it's not going to change the fact that when Obi-Wan says his bit in ANH, the viewer is going to assume it means Vader is Anakin, regardless of how many other interpretations are technically possible. We want to see this from the point of view of a new viewer, not one who handwaves things away.

The only way out of it that I can see is to make ROTS such that Vader is in it, but is not mentioned to be Anakin, and the relationship between them and Obi-Wan makes it plausible that he can shift the blame for Anakin's death onto Vader in ANH. Obi-Wan must appear to kill Anakin on Mustafar, or at least leave him to die. Vader should then show up in his suit and attack the Temple — the Old Republic MMO trailer has what I'm talking about in terms of imagery — or do something else evil that Obi can react to. Even this, though, will be difficult.

Anybody gotta vader suit? LOL. We could get some help from the 501st seeing as they have hundreds of people who were vader suits. I think Anikan should fear vader. In his dream sequence. Just leave the Padme in pain part and maybe add a red blade pointed towards her face then add some vader breathing. So we have things we could use. So Anikan fears Padme dying at the hands of Vader. It would take some shifting around but I think we could fix this rubiks cube of a film. We need more Vader. Just not Anikan becoming Vader. When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar let him close his eyes then have an establishing shot with sad music and take it from there. DO NOT SHOW PALPS COMING TO HIS AID. Palpy should not be seen until ESB. Is there any possible way to make Palpy suggest the threat of vader.

I'll watch ROTS all night and pay close attention. Taking notes I will see what can be done. I suggest we all do the same even though ROTS is horrible.

Hmmm. A part of my brain has the perfect idea but i forgot the combination to the lock.

Quick little mockup I did. The first is the dream sequence. Adding Vaders breathing will make it even better. The second is Darth Vader Going to the Jedi Temple as Roccondil Rinon suggested. The bottom is vader being vader. the bottom 2 are after the mustafar duel. We think Ani is dead.

Of course, the question then is, what is Obi's motivation for going after Anakin in the first place?

The best one I can think of is he knows/believes Anakin killed Mace Windu (and his useless posse if we keep them in the movie).

It won't be hard to pull off neither. We just need someone who has a vader suit. If we cant get a tall person then we can make them appear tall with magical effects like they made Robbie Coltrane who is fairly short look like a giant in harry pothead.  All that needs doing is treating the actual footage as a matte. And trying to paint or cover up Ani.

The other thing I'm thinking is, if we use Ringo's suggestion, I'd still like to see the immolation and the Vader-suiting-up, in a ROTJ edit as flashbacks to complement Obi's exposition.

RoccondilRinon said:

Of course, the question then is, what is Obi's motivation for going after Anakin in the first place?

The best one I can think of is he knows/believes Anakin killed Mace Windu (and his useless posse if we keep them in the movie).

It is going to take some work. I just wonder if Ady is planning on radically changing the prequels like we are suggesting. If he isn't I hope my weeks and months of thinking won't have been in vain.

I think it's doable. Killing Mace isn't quite as much of a dogrape as killing the younglings is, but I expect it's motivation enough.

RoccondilRinon said:

Obi-Wan must appear to kill Anakin on Mustafar, or at least leave him to die. Vader should then show up in his suit and attack the Temple

Do it Pulp Fiction style and have the chronology of events obscured, only to be truly revealed in RotJ.  Lol!
Seriously though, I like this idea (yours Rinon, not mine); making Anakin's defeat a mid-film climax rather than end-film.

EyeShotFirst said:

Just not Anikan becoming Vader. When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar let him close his eyes then have an establishing shot with sad music and take it from there.

I was just thinking about doing something similar:  After Obi-Wan dismembers Anakin, do not show any movement in his torso.  Make him look limp and lifeless to imply he is dead.  Then, still not moving, the immolation begins and seals the deal.  Even though we all know he isn't dead, to a newcomer it should seem very convincing.

EDIT:
It would also lend more credibility to Obi-Wan's decision to not finish him off, which doesn't make much sense in RotS when "Lord Vader" is still so obviously alive.  And I don't believe that Obi-Wan did that because he couldn't bear to bring himself to once again attack his "brother."  He's a Jedi Master and should have been able to recognize that Anakin isn't Anakin anymore.  If anything, he should have been compelled to finish him off so that his "brother" wouldn't suffer such a horrible death.  Yet another example of something that was done merely because it has to lead into the OT and not because it makes sense for the films' characters to do.

EyeShotFirst said:

It won't be hard to pull off neither. We just need someone who has a vader suit.

Just be sure that you get someone with a suit that has an appropriate looking headpiece.  I notice that, all too often, even the best of Darth Vader costumes have a mask that looks wrong when compared to the films.  The mouth area breathing apparatus seems to protrude to far.

RoccondilRinon said:

The other thing I'm thinking is, if we use Ringo's suggestion, I'd still like to see the immolation and the Vader-suiting-up, in a ROTJ edit as flashbacks to complement Obi's exposition.

This is similar to what I plan on doing with my RotJ mock-up.

Ah crap!  I keep forgetting that the biggest problems with this entire concept are the issue of why Obi-Wan is watching over Luke, and the whole "A young Jedi...who was a pupil of mine...betrayed and murdered your father" fiasco.

obi-wan = a young jedi who murdered lukes father LOL

"I Murdered your father"
"Obi-wan Destroyed your father"