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ChainsawAsh said:

(I need DJ's GOUT before I can do those).

There done dude,I PM'd you last week.

(Hopefully) Finished Mos Eisley sequence ("Mos Eisley Spaceport ... " through "I don't like the look of this ... ") is now up on YouTube - the link is available in the first post.

Check the YouTube info box for details on the clip itself.

And DJ, you have a PM.

He most definitely does - I can't stand the fuzzy arm, and didn't think the DVD-5's "flipper" was quite convincing enough.  Besides, why would Ben cut the arm off of someone who doesn't even have a gun, while leaving the guy who does have a gun armed (no pun intended, really)?

I've also kept Ady's new Death Star shots, but not in their entirety - they're cut the way the original shots were.  It actually wasn't as difficult to do as I'd anticipated, and it works very well.  I don't think I really need to post a clip of those shots, though - I'll save that for the final release.

Another exciting thing - after having trouble with the section where Ady cut out Jabba (there are 40 frames missing there, and I don't yet know how I'm going to get around that), I decided to tackle the end of the Ben/Vader duel, where Ady added more slow-motion than there was originally.

By painstakingly taking every frame from Revisited that is also in the GOUT and matching it up perfectly, I've been able to keep Ady's sabers and new Ben's-death shot without having to change the mono mix audio one bit!  After doing the same with the shot where Ben's saber falls on his robes, though, I realized it would have been much easier to use the AVCHD for that shot.  But I didn't, and it looks exactly the same as the original, so I think I'll be keeping it that way.

I'm coming up on the SE-added Falcon takeoff, which I think I'll remove simply to more easily match the original edit, but I'm not 100% sure about it yet, and won't be until I get there.

Just ran into a rather frustrating problem.  Just yesterday, I took all the Star Wars sound mixes I had (1977 mono, 1977 stereo, and 1993 stereo) that were already synchronized to the GOUT (minus the 1985 mix, which I have, but it's unsynchronized) and added the exact amount of delay at the beginning needed to properly sync them up.

I then took the GOUT video track I had in Avid underneath my Revisited/AVCHD track and made sure it lined up perfectly with the beginning, and adjusted the Revisited/AVCHD track accordingly.  I then erased the mono mix audio that I'd attempted to manually sync up (with more or less OK results - the YouTube clip makes it look worse than it was, but it still wasn't 100% exact) and replaced it with the new file that I'd added the delay to (which now syncs up 100% perfectly!) ... but the problem is, somewhere along the line the Revisited/AVCHD track becomes one frame out of sync with everything else.  Now I have to go through every shot until I find the first one that's off so I can fix it.  Ugh.

I think I'll take a break from this for the rest of the day today and come back to it tomorrow to fix this.

ChainsawAsh said:

Just ran into a rather frustrating problem.  Just yesterday, I took all the Star Wars sound mixes I had (1977 mono, 1977 stereo, and 1993 stereo) that were already synchronized to the GOUT (minus the 1985 mix, which I have, but it's unsynchronized) and added the exact amount of delay at the beginning needed to properly sync them up.

I then took the GOUT video track I had in Avid underneath my Revisited/AVCHD track and made sure it lined up perfectly with the beginning, and adjusted the Revisited/AVCHD track accordingly.  I then erased the mono mix audio that I'd attempted to manually sync up (with more or less OK results - the YouTube clip makes it look worse than it was, but it still wasn't 100% exact) and replaced it with the new file that I'd added the delay to (which now syncs up 100% perfectly!) ... but the problem is, somewhere along the line the Revisited/AVCHD track becomes one frame out of sync with everything else.  Now I have to go through every shot until I find the first one that's off so I can fix it.  Ugh.

I think I'll take a break from this for the rest of the day today and come back to it tomorrow to fix this.

The easiest way to fix it would be when you find it to copy the extra frame of audio, delete it from the synched file and drag it back so that it synchs, and then place the extra frame of audio to overlay on top of the audio in the spot where it would be. It won't be noticeable. Unless you think that you'll notice when a shot is cut one frame short, in which case maybe you should take a break from star wars for a very very long time ;p

Well one thing I (recently) decided I'm going to attempt is to make sure that this syncs 100% exactly with the GOUT, so that others can drop in their own audio tracks if they don't like the mono mix.  I think I'm going to have the option to choose between the mono and theatrical stereo mixes in the final product (though the mono will be the default one).

The only problem with this idea is the (very) few added sound effects (Dewbacks in Mos Eisley, Ady's star destroyer going to hyperspace) that wouldn't be present if someone substituted the mixes.

And about the missing frame somewhere, I have a feeling that I know what went wrong, and if I'm right it'll be insanely easy to fix ... but right now I'm going to eat dinner and try not to think about Star Wars for the rest of the day.

No, I won't be using the Pwnage Edition as (if I recall) it's compressed to a DVD-5, while DJ's GOUT (which I'm in the process of getting from him) is a DVD-9.

Here's the list of all my sources:

Adywan
- Star Wars Revisited NTSC DVD-9
- Star Wars Revisited: Purist Edition NTSC DVD-5 (for duel audio)
- Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope AVCHD BD-9

Dark_Jedi
- Anamorphic/cleaned-up GOUT

Belbucus (I think)
- Restored mono mix

Official
- 2004 DVD (color corrected by me - for the Greedo scene so I can add my own subtitles - don't worry, Han will still shoot first)
- 2006 DVD (as a guide - any leftover shots will be replaced by DJ's GOUT)

I just got to the Ben/Vader duel.  Man, Ady really cut this scene up - that's not a bad thing, I actually really like his edit.  In fact, does anyone here know for sure whether the "Purist" Version of ANH:R uses the same cut of the duel that the DVD-9 Revisited does, or does it revert to the original cut?  If so, I'll probably just downmix the "Purist" Version's audio to mono (to remove the prequel music from the DVD-9), try to get it to gel with the rest of the mono mix, and use the DVD-9 video, keeping his edit of the duel (minus the ending where Ben is killed, which has already been reverted to the original cut).  Watching the original now ... well, frankly, it's kinda boring, though I really hate to say that.

One thing I've already changed (well, changed back, rather) is the way Ben and Vader meet - Vader's lightsaber is already on, as in the original cut (accomplished by using the AVCHD), and Ben lights his lightsaber after seeing Vader (currently using the AVCHD as well, but I might try to use Revisited here to keep that awful jump cut out).  I never liked Ady's change of having Ben light his 'saber as soon as he sees an apparently-unarmed Vader - and I love the idea that Vader knew Ben was coming and was ready for him, lightsaber and all.

I'm kind of on the fence about whether to use the 1977 "dead end" scene with Han, or the 1997 "hangar full of stormtroopers" scene, which, thanks to Ady, does look a lot better now ... I'll probably end up using the "dead end" as soon as Dark_Jedi's GOUT comes in the mail (right now the quality drop is just too noticeable).

Fantastic - I guess that should be added to my list of sources then.  Off to download ...

--edit--

Hm, I can't seem to find it at the usual places.  Anyone know where to find the Purist Edition of Revisited?  Or could someone (Ripplin, perhaps?) upload at least the audio of the duel from the Purist DVD (NTSC)?

Grazi!

--edit--

Okay, while I stated earlier that I wanted to base this edit around the mono mix and that I'd keep it 100% exactly the same so that people could switch it out with any other mix they liked ... well, this isn't possible.  There are too many small changes here and there.

For example,the removal of the added Biggs scene necessitated removing several seconds from the mono mix - while I could have used GOUT video to replace the missing footage, I tested out a version where I just cut out the chunks that aren't present in the SE, and it works just fine.  I'm sure most people won't even notice anything's missing - but at least two seconds are.

There are other small cuts here and there done by necessity (my slowing-down of scenes only missing a few frames only works if there is very little movement in the shot - I'm going to go back and see if the ones I left in earlier still look okay to me), so my version will be mono mix only.

I'll consider doing a stereo version, but it'll be the 1977 theatrical stereo, not the 1985 or 1993 (with the necessary changes to match the video).  I likely won't do this, as I prefer the mono mix over all the others, but if there's demand for a stereo audio track on the DVD, then I'll consider it.

He sent me a link to download the DVD itself, not the audio file.

Does anyone know where Adywan got his HD source from when he started his edit? I don't want to just lift everything from his when I get on with mine, I'd rather be able to start from scratch.

Alright, I've finished my first pass through the film.  There are still chunks missing, and I still have to watch the Battle of Yavin in its entirety to make sure it still flows properly - there's a lot different about it in Revisited and the SE, and while I wanted to keep the more epic feel that Adywan gave to it, I felt that the middle section, with the new TIE reveal, dragged a bit.  So I cut it together using a combination of Revisted and the AVCHD to more or less match the original edit of the battle.

However, due to the addition of a lot of lasers and such for Revisited, the battle switches back and forth between using the mono mix and Revisited's audio quite a bit.  I don't think it's noticeable, but like I said, I haven't watched it again.

There's also the opening crawl and end credits that still need to be (re)done, and there are a lot of holes throughout that need to be replaced with DJ's GOUT when it comes in the mail (and I need to redo the opening Tantive IV battle with the AVCHD so the lasers don't bounce back and forth between the original and Revisited).

But I can see this being finished by August.  Don't hold me to that, as I've also got to do the DVD menus and such, but it looks like that might be feasible.

I'll post a Battle of Yavin clip soon.

--edit--

Just got DJ's GOUT in the mail - looks like I'm in the home stretch for Star Wars now!

ChainsawAsh said:

Just got DJ's GOUT in the mail - looks like I'm in the home stretch for Star Wars now!

Anything to help out a fellow member,I just hope it helps you.

Oh right, good call, I forgot about that - the torrent still isn't working.  If you could just rip the chapter involving the duel (from when Obi-Wan and Vader meet, until Han says "Didn't we just leave this party?" - everything else is covered) and Rapidshare it or something, that'd be fantastic.

ChainsawAsh said:

there's a lot different about it in Revisited and the SE, and while I wanted to keep the more epic feel that Adywan gave to it, I felt that the middle section, with the new TIE reveal, dragged a bit.

Wasn't this reverted in the purist edition as well?