The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 87

RoccondilRinon said:

I appreciate the idea of keeping Vader's identity a mystery between ROTS and ESB, but the real problem with this approach lies in ANH: Obi-Wan refers to Darth Vader as "a pupil of mine, until he turned to evil." If we keep it unclear whether it's Mace or Anakin, this line gives it away. Indeed, no matter how we try to keep it a mystery, then this line will give it away, unless we're somehow able to give Obi-Wan multiple apprentices.

 

On a somewhat unrelated note, in the same sentence Obi-Wan calls him "a young Jedi named Darth Vader" — but it's established by the prequels that Darth is something like a Sith title. It would be quite possible to remove all references to the title in the prequels — IIRC it doesn't crop up all that often. Darth Maul is named once, and he could easily be renamed Maul or not named at all ("This is my apprentice... he will find your lost ship"). Dooku is only referred to as "Lord Tyranus", and I don't remember where Darth Sidious is named — again, Dooku and Maul tend to call him "Master" and the Neimoidians tend to call him "Lord". I don't mind "Darth" being a Sith title, but it does make Obi's line a little odd. You can explain it by saying that he's simplifying things for Luke and trying not to arouse any suspicions.

Let's make all sith jedi. Just remove references of the word sith. Revenge of the Sith just make the sith seem like a society who are extinct. And that all force users are jedi but some are good and some are bad. Making Palpatine the last of the sith. It could work. It wasn't until the prequels that the word sith started so we can just patch that up.

Alan Dean Foster used the phrase "Dark Lord of the Sith" in the novelization of ANH in 1976, iirc

I like the idea of anakin be in the senate office but as he should be at the first draft scenario. Thats why palps have annie's saber.

-Angel

Molly said:

Alan Dean Foster used the phrase "Dark Lord of the Sith" in the novelization of ANH in 1976, iirc

i dont know how old this dark horse comic is that came with the ANH DVD but it says "that" in there too

Thanks bingo,

I am talking strongly about Adywan's re-visitations. He isn't doing anything involving the EU so that includes the novelizations.

My main point was that Vader's identity is spoiled in ANH even if we keep it secret in ROTS — we don't get the big reveal in ESB either way. Thoughts?

ben, I will respond to these radical (and very good) ideas soon...gotta work right now! :D

vaderios said:

I like the idea of anakin be in the senate office but as he should be at the first draft scenario. Thats why palps have annie's saber.

-Angel

This is a real production still?  Not a piece of photoshop work?

Rhikter said:

This is a real production still?  Not a piece of photoshop work?

Computer's CANT do that...yet :)

-Angel

Fascinating.

This is a question for Adywan should he come by and have a few spare seconds to answer it:

As the years go by I find myself liking the OT more and more, and liking the PT less and less.  I remember coming out of seeing RotS for the first time saying to myself "Well, third times a charm" but now I can't stand to watch any of it that's not a lightsaber duel.

As the editor, in your opinion is the PT "salvageable" in the sense that it can be turned into something enjoyable that people will want to watch repeatedly, or is the best we can hope for something that's tolerable, better than what it used to be but not a Miraculous overall improvement?

I will understand if you don't want to comment on this so early, but I figured I'd at least ask.

Farlander said:

Didn't it occur to anybody that chair itself is not a floating one, it's Yoda who makes it one? ;) I mean, this kind of procedure is really a piece of cake for him.

If he's the one who makes his chair float, why would he need a chair at all?

Because Lucas probably thought a floating chair was a neat and cute idea, like giving yoda a frickin lightsaber.

Or Jar Jar Binks in Episode 1, you get the picture?

I think the Emperor and yoda having sabers weakens them as characters.

And where was that badass fight Sam Jackson hinted at between Windu and Anakin?

He just gets his hand chopped off and pushed out a window like a total wimp.

Talk about underusing Samuel Jackson.

What another lightsaber duel would have been one too many?

The acting in Episode III is also unbelievably bad.  "UNLIMITED POWERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

kenobi :Don't try it Anakin I have the high ground

Anakin:  You underestimate my powerrr!!!!! ( does three back flips in the air before getting all his limbs but his metal arm cut off in one go.)

I was watching the movie just a few minutes the other night on tv.  And was take aback at just how Awful Ian Mcdiarmid and Hayden are.

Ian can act i have seen him in other films where he was not haming it up and phoning it in.

Hayden on the other hand cannot act period.  Every movie i have seen him in has been an awful performance.

skyjedi2005 said:

And was take aback at just how Awful Ian Mcdiarmid [is].

There's a difference between bad acting and bad dialogue.

Davnes007 said:

If he's the one who makes his chair float, why would he need a chair at all?

So people don't see up his dress.

Davnes007 said:

If he's the one who makes his chair float, why would he need a chair at all?

Because flying is not the Jedi way! Let the last son of krypton can do that.

-Angel

Check out today's Off the Mark comic: http://assets.comics.com/dyn_file/str_strip/288154/

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