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Yeah Angel, not everybody sees the movies on opening night. I usually dont until atleast a week after premier. I hate sitting in the front. And I hate having to hear people talking and chomping on their popcorn right in my ear. I like going in the middle of a weekday when everyone is at work LOL.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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adywan said:
oh_riginal said:
RoccondilRinon said:

I agree, OR. A nice subtle boost is all that's needed — no need to show the "grille" effect, something more resembling the Death Star escape is more appropriate.

 

I agree with no grill visual, as Ady had a good argument against using it in the other shots, since the engine had already been on long enough to be more lit up... but the Death Star escape still convinces me that the Bespin platform escape could use a little tweaking with the Falcon blasting off.

I think the engine looks so lit up already in the Bespin shot, that it just has to be downplayed and toned down while the Falcon is lifting off the ground, then blow back up to the original look as it is taking off. I don't know how possible that is to do with the existing shot, but someone like Ady could probably figure out a way to do it (but only if he wanted to.)

The main problem is that the original footage has a very strong engine glow and its impossible to remove this to make it more toned down. The sound FX do seem a bit out of place in this shot though so something may be done, but this may happen when i get to the audio side of things

 

Damn, that sucks about the engine glow, as I think it would be completely appropriate to have the engine blasting off in that scene, like in the Death Star escape. Oh well, I tried!

 

adywan said:
oh_riginal said:

How about this? I would like to see a heat blur added to the torture scene, to better sell Han's reaction to the intense heat coming out of the torture device.

Here's a (poorly done) example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHKc08NEYg

Now while this is a good idea it does create a problem with all later shots of han. If this device produces so much heat to cause this amount of pain then why isn't his shirt scorched? Put something white next to an electric bar fire as close as han is to the device and see just what the heat would have done to his shirt. Just look how far away he is when he first reacts. that thing would have to produce some intense heat to cause a reaction like that. I've been thinking of adding some electrical arcs hitting han as he is lowered but i won't be adding a heat haze.

 

Hmm, I suppose it all depends on how long we can assume Han was tortured. As Han said "they never even asked me any questions," so it's safe to assume the entire time spent was on just inflicting pain upon Han, without interrogation.

Also, how long can someone stand over a fully pre-heated open oven door before having any marks from it? I was just assuming that the heat was enough to be painful, but not enough to leave any marks, just like how Vader said "he will not be permanently damaged," so maybe the heat wasn't intense enough to burn his shirt, coat, or skin, but was enough to be torturous if exposed to for long periods of time.

But, the final word has been spoken on this subject....

 

So I will take this opportunity to bring up a question I asked before:

oh_riginal said:

I didn't see this listed as a fix listed anywhere so...

I noticed, while rewatching the Falcon floating amongst the trail of garbage in space, that just before it turns its engines on (yeah, I was watching the shot originally for more engine goodness), it seems to freeze in "mid-air" for a few frames, as if it stopped floating before the engines even came on, which doesn't make any sense to me.

Should the Falcon not have kept floating until the engines caused it to move? The engine isn't even on yet, and the Falcon freezes.

Anyone else besides me see this as an issue?

One way to fix this would be to either have the engine light up sooner (but not blast off yet) to explain why the Falcon suddenly stopped floating, OR to make it so that the Falcon continues to float along for that extra few frames before blasting off.

Your thoughts, Ady?

Also, (and this might just be me), I can't seem to find Slave 1 among the garbage in the shots of the garbage floating from the Star Destroyer, and in the shot of the Falcon blasting out of there. I understand Han and co. are supposed to be fooled by not noticing Boba's ship among the debris, but as far as continuity goes, should we as the viewers not be able to see the shape of the ship in the earlier shots?

Or did I just see the ship and was completely unable to recognize it?

I'm starting to feel like I'm getting really nitpicky here....

 

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-2v7KIQ5s
This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week. Now it bugs the hell out of me!

 

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adywan said:

have i taken on too much? probably , yes, but i know i can do this. The results will be worth it and so much better than sticking with original elements, but its going to take a long time just to get the materials to get started on all this.

 

Adywan, I absolutely agree that if you can achieve everything that you hope to (mentioned on page 468), that the results WILL be worth it, and I have no doubt that you ARE capable of building things the way you'd like to, once you have all the necessary materials at hand.

While this is a much-anticipated project, I'd far rather wait a lot longer before it's completed, if it means you can perhaps achieve the rest of what you'd ideally hope to do for this edit, rather than see a heavily-compromised version released earlier for the sake of getting it out as soon as possible.  While you've already done a lot of amazing work on this, it is obvious that you have ideas that would make it even more exceptional.

You've already said that a lot of the fun of this endevour is to build this stuff yourself, and I can appreciate that.  If it's going to take a lot longer because of this, then that's just the way it is.  Quality is worth waiting for, and damn the wait.

Good luck, and thanks for that latest update on everything you hope to make / film.  This thing is gonna be AWESOME....

 

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Ady, I know I've said this before, but it can't be said enough:

You are a crazy person.  Absolutely crazy.

And I love it!

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I'd like to contribute $100 US to the cause...  Anyone tell me if Adywan's Paypal address is the one at the bottom of his sig?  ie: ?  ...thought I read somewhere he takes PayPal.....

Thanks!

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The email address in his sig is for his Paypal.  Make sure you get all the "uk" stuff, or it goes to some random lady if I remember right!

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oh_riginal said:

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:
This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week.

I'd never noticed that before either. Definitely needs fixing or tweaking or something, because it looks like a cutout the way it is. :p

 

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I am gonna quit talking to yall. Everytime you say something is wrong I cant watch any of the movies because I will get dissapointed LOL. Yall are alright though

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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HigHurtenflurst said:

I'd like to contribute $100 US to the cause...  Anyone tell me if Adywan's Paypal address is the one at the bottom of his sig?  ie: adywan(at)hotmail(dot)co(dot)uk  ...thought I read somewhere he takes PayPal.....

Thanks!

 

You may just want to edit his email address on your post there man. Last thing ady needs is a shit load of spam (or whatever) flooding his hotmail account!!!

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oh_riginal said:

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:
This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week. Now it bugs the hell out of me!

 

 

 Well it's supposed to be "floating away" with the rest of the garbage just like Solo said ain't it? I think it's fine as it is.

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A better flow can be done. or match the flare when it stops moving backwards..

 

-Angel

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Docta Nick said:
oh_riginal said:

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:
This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week. Now it bugs the hell out of me!

 

 

 Well it's supposed to be "floating away" with the rest of the garbage just like Solo said ain't it? I think it's fine as it is.

 

Well that's the whole point... it CEASES to float! Watch the video closer and you'll see what I mean.

 

vaderios said:

A better flow can be done. or match the flare when it stops moving backwards..

 

-Angel

 

This is the next mockup I'm planning on doing! We'll see how it turns out later today.

Either way, the shot, as it is, bugs me... sorry EyeShotFirst!

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HotRod said:

You may just want to edit his email address on your post there man. Last thing ady needs is a shit load of spam (or whatever) flooding his hotmail account!!!

The email address is in his sig anyway isn't it?

 

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brash_stryker said:
HotRod said:

You may just want to edit his email address on your post there man. Last thing ady needs is a shit load of spam (or whatever) flooding his hotmail account!!!

The email address is in his sig anyway isn't it?

Yes, but it's not a "proper" link. It says (at) and (dot). That is done on purpose.

 

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adywan said:

have i taken on too much? probably , yes, but i know i can do this. The results will be worth it and so much better than sticking with original elements, but its going to take a long time just to get the materials to get started on all this.

No offence, but ... Really?

That is quite a long list you have there.

Don't tell me that you are doing all the work yourself! I am afraid that things are going over your head.

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adywan said:

have i taken on too much? probably , yes, but i know i can do this. The results will be worth it and so much better than sticking with original elements, but its going to take a long time just to get the materials to get started on all this.

No offence, but ... Really?

That is quite a long list you have there.

Don't tell me that you are doing all the work yourself! I am afraid that things are going over your head.

yes, i am doing everything on that list myself. Not sure what you mean by "things are going over your head" though

 

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unless our dear Mr. Adywan here has a lapse of the crazies of too much work to be done, i am sure he will manage to complete all his goals in due time, we the fans can support him and help him complete these goals or whinem nag and question him at every turn...which will get us nowhere fast :p

 

Have faith, I am sure if given the right ammount of time he will complete what he has set out to complete and more.

Perhaps..in time..Adywan will take on a "learner" of his own ^_*

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Looks like we might see this by January.................2011. But all well, can't complain.

 

Another thing with those new plans for Leia's building they don't take in account all those windows if you watch the dining room scene.

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oh_riginal said:
Docta Nick said:
oh_riginal said:

So, any thoughts on fixing the paused Falcon among the garbage?

Here is an example of what it may look like:
This is an issue I've never noticed, despite seeing the movie countless times in my life... until last week. Now it bugs the hell out of me!

 

 

 Well it's supposed to be "floating away" with the rest of the garbage just like Solo said ain't it? I think it's fine as it is.

 

Well that's the whole point... it CEASES to float! Watch the video closer and you'll see what I mean.

 

 Ok ok you got me. It could be made to float a little better I guess, some Ady magic can be put in there :D

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adywan said:

Something like this doesn't need to be added. We already saw Luke begin his saber training in ANH. His dagobah training was the next stage. We never got to see all of his training and a scene was filmed where he uses his lightsaber to try and cut a metal rod into seven pieces but this was cut.

Looking at the shot lando lowers his head realising what he has done and as soon as CPO says his line and the trooper fires he dart out of the way. leia is slower to react because she is not really concentrating after she sees Slave 1 escaping with no way of rescuing Han. There is a very brief pause before they react so if possible i may move this line a few frames later.

The main problem is that the original footage has a very strong engine glow and its impossible to remove this to make it more toned down. The sound FX do seem a bit out of place in this shot though so something may be done, but this may happen when i get to the audio side of things

Its symbolism. Luke gets his hand cut off in ESB and when he becomes angry and cuts vaders hand off in ROTJ he looks down at vaders hand then at his own and sees the similarity between father and son and how close he is to being consumed by the dark side, like his father. This is what brings Luke back and the Emperor has failed to turn him.

Very nice. i'm really liking those.

I have tried to do something about this but its looking like nothing can be done short of building a puppet to replace him for this one shot, so not worth it. Even adding blinks wouldn't work because you wouldn't even notice it because he is too small in this shot.

Now while this is a good idea it does create a problem with all later shots of han. If this device produces so much heat to cause this amount of pain then why isn't his shirt scorched? Put something white next to an electric bar fire as close as han is to the device and see just what the heat would have done to his shirt. Just look how far away he is when he first reacts. that thing would have to produce some intense heat to cause a reaction like that. I've been thinking of adding some electrical arcs hitting han as he is lowered but i won't be adding a heat haze.

I replied to this in the ANH:R thread. The fade was always there in ANH until the SE came along and for some reason they omitted it (probably something to do with the added Jabba scene and the amount of wipes between the scenes). All i did was restore what was originally there, and had been for 20 years

Well at the moment i hit a brick wall. I don't want to start the falcon just yet because i've been planning out what needs to be built first so i can concentrate on the Rebel Hangar and the falcon. These are the things that need to be done in order:

1- Asteroid trench &new crater background  to replace the obvious matte used when the TIE bombers approach. The largest set pieces that definitely need to be done first so i can reclaim the space to continue with the next items.

2- Inside the slugs mouth -  another large set

3- Wampa. A lot of work to be done on this especially when it gets to attaching each individual hair to the puppets face

4- Hoth Shield generator / Stop motion AT-AT/ stop motion AT-ST. All the outdoor snow scenes out of the way.

5- bespin vane and shaft to replace 2D matte. another large set approx 6ft x 6ft

6- Leia's apartment exterior new model - to fix the problems with the interiors and exterior scale.

7 - Interior hangar to replace rebel transport matte

8- Millennium falcon and Hangar set

9- Modified MPC stardestroyer with fibre optic lighting and correct detailing to replace many cut and paste or badly composited  shots of the stardestroyers

10- Extra ships for the finale to replace obvious mattes and some camera movement problems with existing elements

 

Now i will be working on a few of these at the same time but some will need to be done individually. The falcon is going to take a long time to finish and with all the small parts i need to work on it without any other clutter. God some of those parts are microscopic.

Now the brick wall is that funding has gone. i have many of the materials but not all. you wouldn't believe how much plaster it takes to create a 11ft long 2.5ft high asteroid trench, and then there is the paints, wood and other materials for that set alone.

Now i was lucky with the fibre optics as i managed to get a job lot of 25 very large fibre optic UFO lamps for £5 off ebay.

And then theres the camera crane/ dolly i have to make so i can film all this stuff

So again i'm stuck. we got paid, had a small amount of spare cash which went immediately but managed to get only a small amount of the materials.

have i taken on too much? probably , yes, but i know i can do this. The results will be worth it and so much better than sticking with original elements, but its going to take a long time just to get the materials to get started on all this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait what?

 

Plaster?

 

I thought you building everything in a computer to digitally matted, not building physical models and puppets.

I can understand things like the Falcon since it easier to use a physical model for reference for scale and detail.

So is that what you are doing or do have little ILM in room or in your case ILP, Industrial Light and Pron.

 

 

 

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I'm glad he's not going the digital route. There's enough of that in Star Wars already these days :)

I can't WAIT to see the new Wampa puppet when it's done.