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his battle with Psuedo-Vader in the cave was some saber practice i can tell you that much

I think I like his training on Dagobah better the way it is actually. We can naturally assume that Luke has been training with his saber, likely on his own beforehand and some with Yoda later.

But I like that the main focus of his training seems to be mental/spiritual.  Yoda knows that Luke will eventually find out who Vader really is, and wants Luke's psyche to be able to withstand that without losing his cool or succumbing to the same failings as Anakin.

It seemed apparent to me (before the PT) that Yoda and the Emperor both had reached a level of force prowess where a saber was no longer necessary. Yoda of course would want Luke to be able to defend himself, but his main focus should be mind over matter.

Kind of like the Bride's training in Kill Bill 2, most of it is non-combat.

Reliance on weapons is also one way in which we see growth in Luke between ESB and ROTJ. Three times in ROTJ we see Luke in a threatening situation unarmed, having willingly given up his saber, once in each act.

I was wondering something, Adywan: are you the type that can have two or three projects (models, puppets, etc...) going at once, or do you prefer to finish one and then move on to the next one?

Not to bring up the whole EU thing but each jedi has his own unique fighting style. Lukes fighting style is the same as vaders. I think they get the basics then they use the force to determine what angles to use. It is all through the force. So luke may have learned enough on his own. Plus in Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader wasn't planning on killing luke. He just wanted to turn him to the dark side. In Return of the Jedi he probably had many missions backed up by the EU to learn to fight better. I took basic guitar lessons when I was 12, then I just learned on my own by myself. So luke could have used his basics as a basis for his own style. It is proven by ANH that he had to use the force to interperate his enemy's attacks. So he would not need to be seen training anymore. Obi Wan has taught you well is solidified by this theory. SO why not? It is better for non-uberfans to see the training but we all know the story quite well.

Not to bring up the whole EU thing but each jedi has his own unique fighting style. Lukes fighting style is the same as vaders. I think they get the basics then they use the force to determine what angles to use. It is all through the force. So luke may have learned enough on his own. Plus in Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader wasn't planning on killing luke. He just wanted to turn him to the dark side. In Return of the Jedi he probably had many missions backed up by the EU to learn to fight better. I took basic guitar lessons when I was 12, then I just learned on my own by myself. So luke could have used his basics as a basis for his own style. It is proven by ANH that he had to use the force to interperate his enemy's attacks. So he would not need to be seen training anymore. Obi Wan has taught you well is solidified by this theory. SO why not? It is better for non-uberfans to see the training but we all know the story quite well.

DF Shadow said:

I like the idea of the heat blur. I think it can be most effective if it's very subtle. Which is something AdY is good at.

Visually it would remind me of that burst of heat in your face when you open your oven door. Imagine being forced to endure that AND more while strapped down. Jeez.

Yes, the mock-up I created on youtube isn't too subtle, but I made it that way to get the idea across clearly. I agree that the Ady version (if he were to adopt the idea) should be a lot more subtle.

Bobocop said:

It seemed apparent to me (before the PT) that Yoda and the Emperor both had reached a level of force prowess where a saber was no longer necessary. Yoda of course would want Luke to be able to defend himself, but his main focus should be mind over matter.

 I believe JasonN is of this same impression, and as you say before PT I was too of this school of thought, and the subject of lightsabering I could stretch it as far as Yoda controlling the saber with his mind and moving it telekinetically while he remains static in a trance-like position and the saber is breaking all hell loose.....of course GL had a different vision of the venerable master...

Under this vision ESB with a floating fighting saber would have been much easier to accomplish optically instead of having the puppet go "Jackie Chan" on us like in AOTC (creating that weird double take: 1 min Jackie Chan Vs Dooku, the next: the old master again)

HigHurtenflurst said:

Been lurking here for a while, soaking up all the SW geek goodness, getting cramps anticipating ESBR...  Haven't read anything about this, and thought I'd throw it out for consideration.

I've always wondered how Yoda taught Luke his lightsaber skills, and wondered if it would be possible (or desireable) to add a little scene, just a couple of seconds worth in a sort of training "montage" of sorts, of Yoda and Luke sparring with sabers.  Perhaps some grabs of footage from the prequels of Yoda fighting, combined with some footage from ESB of Luke fighting, super-imposed on a suitable Degobah background. 

Just a couple of seconds between the existing scenes of him running/jumping/levitating stuff to sort of round out the Jedi training, and possibly explain how the farmboy managed to go 9 rounds with the Sith Lord.........

 

 

Something like this doesn't need to be added. We already saw Luke begin his saber training in ANH. His dagobah training was the next stage. We never got to see all of his training and a scene was filmed where he uses his lightsaber to try and cut a metal rod into seven pieces but this was cut.

Bobocop said:

One thing that's always seemed not quite right to me during the Bespin escape is right after the Slave I takes off.  C3PO says "Chewie, they're behind you!"  and you can see Lando in the background chilling out and stretching or something, then suddenly laser blasts fire, completely missing these stationary targets and then they all jump out of the way and start running again.  It makes the stormtroopers seem even more incompetent.

I know there's this "nobody ever listens to C3PO" thing going on throughout the film, but it might make more sense to delay his line delivery slightly if possible, so that it looks like he warns them and they start moving again just in time to avoid the blasts, rather than have them snap out of it and take off after a few rounds completely miss them when nobody's even moving.

Looking at the shot lando lowers his head realising what he has done and as soon as CPO says his line and the trooper fires he dart out of the way. leia is slower to react because she is not really concentrating after she sees Slave 1 escaping with no way of rescuing Han. There is a very brief pause before they react so if possible i may move this line a few frames later.

oh_riginal said:

RoccondilRinon said:

I agree, OR. A nice subtle boost is all that's needed — no need to show the "grille" effect, something more resembling the Death Star escape is more appropriate.

 

I agree with no grill visual, as Ady had a good argument against using it in the other shots, since the engine had already been on long enough to be more lit up... but the Death Star escape still convinces me that the Bespin platform escape could use a little tweaking with the Falcon blasting off.

I think the engine looks so lit up already in the Bespin shot, that it just has to be downplayed and toned down while the Falcon is lifting off the ground, then blow back up to the original look as it is taking off. I don't know how possible that is to do with the existing shot, but someone like Ady could probably figure out a way to do it (but only if he wanted to.)

The main problem is that the original footage has a very strong engine glow and its impossible to remove this to make it more toned down. The sound FX do seem a bit out of place in this shot though so something may be done, but this may happen when i get to the audio side of things

fishmanlee said:

L & V both get their arm/'s cut off, i mean, whats up with that?

Its symbolism. Luke gets his hand cut off in ESB and when he becomes angry and cuts vaders hand off in ROTJ he looks down at vaders hand then at his own and sees the similarity between father and son and how close he is to being consumed by the dark side, like his father. This is what brings Luke back and the Emperor has failed to turn him.

Asteroid-Man said:

ady, I just posted the DVD cover for ROTJ: Revisited in the DVD thread if you wanted to take a look.

Very nice. i'm really liking those.

oh_riginal said:

So, I didn't notice anything about this on the first page, but is there anything that can be done about Yoda while he is on Luke's back during his training? He looks like a backpack with a Yoda head attached to it, especially when Luke stops running to catch a breath.

Though I'm not sure anything can be done to fix that.

I have tried to do something about this but its looking like nothing can be done short of building a puppet to replace him for this one shot, so not worth it. Even adding blinks wouldn't work because you wouldn't even notice it because he is too small in this shot.

oh_riginal said:

How about this? I would like to see a heat blur added to the torture scene, to better sell Han's reaction to the intense heat coming out of the torture device.

Here's a (poorly done) example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHKc08NEYg

Now while this is a good idea it does create a problem with all later shots of han. If this device produces so much heat to cause this amount of pain then why isn't his shirt scorched? Put something white next to an electric bar fire as close as han is to the device and see just what the heat would have done to his shirt. Just look how far away he is when he first reacts. that thing would have to produce some intense heat to cause a reaction like that. I've been thinking of adding some electrical arcs hitting han as he is lowered but i won't be adding a heat haze.

brash_stryker said:

Also, does anyone know whether Ady is using any fades as he did in ANH:R when they approach the falcon? Were there even any fades in ESB originally? That's probably my only problem with ANH:R now that I've got used to (and approve of) the other changes, not because it doesn't work, but because it's the only fade left in the film.

I replied to this in the ANH:R thread. The fade was always there in ANH until the SE came along and for some reason they omitted it (probably something to do with the added Jabba scene and the amount of wipes between the scenes). All i did was restore what was originally there, and had been for 20 years

The Golden Idol said:

So, Ady, what are you currently working on? The Wampa puppet? How's that coming?

Ripplin said:

I was wondering something, Adywan: are you the type that can have two or three projects (models, puppets, etc...) going at once, or do you prefer to finish one and then move on to the next one?

Well at the moment i hit a brick wall. I don't want to start the falcon just yet because i've been planning out what needs to be built first so i can concentrate on the Rebel Hangar and the falcon. These are the things that need to be done in order:

1- Asteroid trench &new crater background  to replace the obvious matte used when the TIE bombers approach. The largest set pieces that definitely need to be done first so i can reclaim the space to continue with the next items.

2- Inside the slugs mouth -  another large set

3- Wampa. A lot of work to be done on this especially when it gets to attaching each individual hair to the puppets face

4- Hoth Shield generator / Stop motion AT-AT/ stop motion AT-ST. All the outdoor snow scenes out of the way.

5- bespin vane and shaft to replace 2D matte. another large set approx 6ft x 6ft

6- Leia's apartment exterior new model - to fix the problems with the interiors and exterior scale.

7 - Interior hangar to replace rebel transport matte

8- Millennium falcon and Hangar set

9- Modified MPC stardestroyer with fibre optic lighting and correct detailing to replace many cut and paste or badly composited  shots of the stardestroyers

10- Extra ships for the finale to replace obvious mattes and some camera movement problems with existing elements

Now i will be working on a few of these at the same time but some will need to be done individually. The falcon is going to take a long time to finish and with all the small parts i need to work on it without any other clutter. God some of those parts are microscopic.

Now the brick wall is that funding has gone. i have many of the materials but not all. you wouldn't believe how much plaster it takes to create a 11ft long 2.5ft high asteroid trench, and then there is the paints, wood and other materials for that set alone.

Now i was lucky with the fibre optics as i managed to get a job lot of 25 very large fibre optic UFO lamps for £5 off ebay.

And then theres the camera crane/ dolly i have to make so i can film all this stuff

So again i'm stuck. we got paid, had a small amount of spare cash which went immediately but managed to get only a small amount of the materials.

have i taken on too much? probably , yes, but i know i can do this. The results will be worth it and so much better than sticking with original elements, but its going to take a long time just to get the materials to get started on all this.

brash_stryker said:

adywan said:

I replied to this in the ANH:R thread. The fade was always there in ANH until the SE came along and for some reason they omitted it (probably something to do with the added Jabba scene and the amount of wipes between the scenes). All i did was restore what was originally there, and had been for 20 years

I understand your reasons for the change, and wasn't in any way having a go. I'm sorry you've taken offense. I only mentioned it because I was wondering whether there were any such fades in the original ESB, and if so, would you be restoring these too? I'm not familiar enough with the original cut to remember whether there were any fades.

Also, in regards to the heat effect on the torture device, what you said makes sense. An electrical effect would be more believable in terms of Han not being burnt to a crisp.

no, i haven't taken any offence. I wasn't too sure if you would have seen my reply in the ANH:R thread. There are fades used in ESB where vader is telepathically talking to Luke, but these are quick. But there are no fades or wipes to restore in ESB unless i would be recreating the 70mm version of course.

fishmanlee said:

his battle with Psuedo-Vader in the cave was some saber practice i can tell you that much

Have you even seen all of the ESB? Luke disobeyed Yoda by taking his saber with him into the cave....it wasn't "saber practice".

The cave was meant to be a teaching tool...to learn what his own inner weaknesses were....

Maybe you should pop in the movie and watch it again.

mrbenja0618 said:

Do you have an estimate of how much money you need to finish? Even if it's a somewhat educated guess?

Its still a few hundred. i don't have exact figures i'm afraid as there are a few materials needed that i'm still shopping around to find the cheapest. Every time i get any funds they are spent straight away on materials and once all the materials have been purchased i will cease to accept any donations

One thing i forgot to add to the list was that i will need to build a large model of the Rebel transporter

brash_stryker said:

How the hell are you so talented? lol

Some Humans have many talents! Its a gift given from the Primes! Ady's destiny was decided millions years ago.

Now back to reality, Ady I know that you can do them and when you finish them it will look beautiful and with finesse.

But isnt a good time to seek help from others that have some particular models to win some time and efford?

take care wise Autobot!

-Angel is a Decepticon!

Damn I wish I had a job LOL. I would hook you up. I guess I am in the same boat as Ady. I can't afford to get anything I need.

adywan said:

6- Leia's apartment exterior new model - to fix the problems with the interiors and exterior scale.

That's very awesome news, ady... does that mean you'll be doing something like this after all? (reposted from page 293):

Floorplan:

Vaderios's mockup:

It pains me not being able to donate anything to the cause. Curse my family's need for food and shelter!

Hopefully I can help at least a little before you have everything. I'd feel like a leech if I get all this Star Warsy enjoyment without having helped at all.

and Vaderios, you better keep any Transformers related comments sufficiantly cryptic; if you spoil any plot for me I'm gonna force-kick you, just like in that animated ROTJ image!  ;)