Bobocop said:All this talk about adding/replacing music in duels reminds me... A while back I took a crack at enhancing my favorite duels with new music.
I think it really adds to the emotional impact.
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I... love... this!
That R2 Yoda fight is awesome! love it!
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haha! brilliant!
The Luke vs. Vader was cute (nice idea cutting to Palpy when the names are said), but man, that Yoda vs. R2 vid is just brilliant! Such a simple idea, and excellently executed. :)
I can't take credit for the idea for R2 vs Yoda; someone at theforce.net suggested it. But I did make the video. That was fun.
Yeah, having Yoda hit R2-D2 with the stick so many times was both funny and necessary. The timing was dead on.
That reminds me of the song "Stick Pit" by Buckethead, which features R2-D2. Funny how things go together like that sometimes.
god, i was cracking up at the yoda vs. r2. mostly due to the fact that it was using the duel of the fates music. I should've counted howmany times he hit r2 with a stick.
i liked how the emperor was used in the mortal kombat themed duel.
here is a mockup of the ties outside of the emporers tower (very rough using pngs of toy hasbro tie fighters)
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
I doubt if TIE fighters would be floating around the Emperor's tower at that point of the film when there is a huge battle going on (wouldn't they be busy elsewhere?).
The ideal time to show TIEs that close would be just as he is settling in as an extension of the honour flight they threw for him when he landed or maybe a few during the scenes where Vader pays a visit where we see them outside the tower.
I'd recommend using VLC for screen captures as you can maintain the aspect ratio and there are a lot of pictures of TIE fighters out there if you want to search for them pointing in almost any direction you can imagine.
If you are using Photoshop to make your mockups adding a little motion blur to the fighters and adjusting the lighting will make them look more cinematic.
ChainsawAsh said:Yeah ... sorry, but that was pretty terrible. And that lightsaber duel is, in my opinion, the absolute best out of the entire saga, with the ESB duel running a very, very close second. TPM's end duel is third, and ANH's is fourth. Anything from AOTC or ROTS isn't even on the chart, and if any of them were, they'd be waaay at the bottom. (Yes, I'm most definitely including the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel ... ugh.)
I wasn't crazy about the Anakin/Obi-wan duel either. What was it about it? Its just wasn't very interesting, even my mom said she thought it was kind of boring.
Maybe the shields is in a frequency that allows all the IMP ships can fly inside it.
Maybe all that is science crap so ignore that :)
-Angel
vaderios said:Maybe the shields is in a frequency that allows all the IMP ships can fly inside it.
Maybe all that is science crap so ignore that :)
-Angel
There's no reason there wouldn't be TIEs on both sides of the shield so there's no need for your "science crap" ;-p
dont tell me, 'you were rushed'
"you were rushed"
DarthBo said:vaderios said:Maybe the shields is in a frequency that allows all the IMP ships can fly inside it.
Maybe all that is science crap so ignore that :)
-Angel
There's no reason there wouldn't be TIEs on both sides of the shield so there's no need for your "science crap" ;-p
The Emperor's weakness is his over convidence, he dismissed his guards so I doubt if he would see the need for fighters to defend his tower (he can foresee every situation as far as he is concerned) and the Empire would no doubt deploy all it's ships into the battle on the other side of the shield.
It doesn't make much sense to have them in that scene.
If the 2 Death Star scenerio was employed however you could have a few ships closer much like the battle in ROTS.
As for the duels. ESB's is definately the most dramatic, the best looking and has the most tension in it. The least interesting one for me is the one in TPM which looks like someone else playing a computer game with all that platform jumping and the illogical force field gates. I barely knew the characters, they don't even talk to each other, I already knew one of them would survive and I never got the feeling that the other two would. The Anakin/Obi-wan fight was similar but at least I got to know the characters long enough to have some emotional investment in it (not much though).
actually that scene with the ties is when the shield is down and lando is leading the attack
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
fishmanlee said:actually that scene with the ties is when the shield is down and lando is leading the attack
Even so the fighters are attacking both the capital ships and trying to stop the Rebels entering the superstructure.
Besides the focus is on Luke, Palpatine and Vader so having a bunch of fighters inexplicably wandering around may prove to be a bit of a distraction at that point in the film.
i understand that it was just a rough mockup, should i have had tie shaped dots or something?
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Bingowings said:Even so the fighters are attacking both the capital ships and trying to stop the Rebels entering the superstructure.
Besides the focus is on Luke, Palpatine and Vader so having a bunch of fighters inexplicably wandering around may prove to be a bit of a distraction at that point in the film.
i agree, it may had to the enviorment, but it would be distracting. besides, the emperor thinks the sheild is still up at that time. he'd prolly get distracted as well.
It would stick out like the annoying dewback in front of the cantina in the SE of ANH
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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rcb said:Bingowings said:Even so the fighters are attacking both the capital ships and trying to stop the Rebels entering the superstructure.
Besides the focus is on Luke, Palpatine and Vader so having a bunch of fighters inexplicably wandering around may prove to be a bit of a distraction at that point in the film.
i agree, it may had to the enviorment, but it would be distracting. besides, the emperor thinks the sheild is still up at that time. he'd prolly get distracted as well.
You can have at least some capital in the BG or some flybys. I like the way that in ROTS you listen battle sounds from the outside. I know is some short of different, but it can work. It needs good timing and positioning to when and where the battle in the outside will be visible. who knows..
-Angel
i find this Revenge OTJ draft ending interesting
"Vader grabs the Emperor from behind, fighting for control of the robed figure despite the Dark Lord's weakened body and gravely weakened arm. The Emperor struggles in his embrace, his bolt-shooting hands now lifted high, away from Luke. Now the white lightning arcs back to strike at Vader. He stumbles with his load as the sparks rain off his helmet and flow down over his black cape and falls to his knees, dropping his evil master to the floor.
Luke staggers to the side of Vader and helps his father to his feet.
LUKE
Father? Do you remember your words to me on Bespin?
Vader glances nervously at the Emperor, who is working his way to his feet.
VADER
(surprisingly benign) Of course, my son. How could I forget? To rule the galaxy as father and son.
Luke nods, outstretching his hand. Vader's saber flies up to it. He then hands it to Vader's remaining hand.
LUKE
(igniting his lightsaber) Let's finish it, father.
The dazed Emperor staggers to his feet. Vader ignites his saber and joins Luke facing the Emperor.
EMPEROR
You fools. Do you really believe yourselves to be any match for the power of the dark side? (raising his hands again) You will join your rebel friends in death.
A volley of blue lightning, with even greater fury than the preceding, erupts from the Emperor's hands. Facing two Jedi, he is far less effective. Like predators, Vader and Luke slowly progress towards the Emperor. The Emperor tries to avoid them, but his feeble body was no match for the power of the Jedi'. Palpatine desperately wished for a lightsaber, but tried to use his Force-lightning on the boys that he had each once called his young apprentices. They simply bat it away with their lightsabers and continue their advance. Some of the Force lightning attracts itself to Luke's hands, which are curled around his lightsaber, and he viciously bats it away. He swings ferociously, and feints and parries the lightning like an expert.
Quickly, the master of the darkside finds himself backed against a railing, and behind him, an abyss leading to the main reactor core. Screaming in rage, the Emperor blasts Vader with an unexpected volley of bolts and drops him to a knee. With that opening, Luke brings his lasersword down across the shoulder of the Emperor. Shrieking, he turns his attention to the young Skywalker who is raising his blade, preparing fo another strike. Vader is also now back to his feet.
No longer blocking and parrying, both Skywalkers, father and son, have their lightsabers raised high above in a manner quite similar to Obi-Wan in the first film. The pounding dark energy has seemed to have lost all effect on the two Jedi. In a synchronous manner, they both bring their blades down on the cowering Emperor.
With a thrust, Vader dives forward and swiftly dumps the corpse of the Emperor down the reactor shaft below. Blue waves of Dark Side energy surround them both, as the Emperor's body slowly disintegrated into the dust it was made of. Looking like twin specters, the black-clad duo silently watched the dangerous array of Dark Side energy shift and twirl around them.
Vader collapses to the ground, his strength lapped. He sits there panting, smoking, and sparking, overcome by the barrage of dark energy. Luke crawls to the side of his fallen father and props him up at his side."
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
I like that quite a bit better than the theatrical version (though the dialogue leaves something to be desired). Too bad it can never be changed that way now, unless ROTJ were remade completely.
the bespin remark is a little strange though
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
Its like an anime dialogue...
-Angel