The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 55

oh dear. too many franchise related cooks spoil the space broth again....

i realised there had been a comic, but i just thought about re-contextualizing the cartoon to maybe just link in with that throw away line perhaps. it can be manipulated by crawl exposition.;)

i got this youtube clip, im not sure if i saw the KCCI or not. i downloaded the dvd that had all the kenner adverts on and the muppets. my friend pulled a copy from google video that had different, though im unsure if it was 'better'. this is the youtube that is currently being manipulated.:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnc4XkTTWVk&feature=PlayList&p=9995BEB2CA40E95B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

ben_danger said:

Perfect! Well done!

Who is it that did the voice for the Holiday Special Fett?

perhaps try and change the animal roaring noises, especialy the arachnid thing. i reckon you should have a go too

im also working on the jango/boba hybrid character, but if you were going to stick with jango, perhaps obi wan could kill him as someone suggested earlier?

another biggy, would be the iconic line "around the survivors a perimeter create"....makes me spin everytime!;)

got a bit more carried away on janboba...this would be impossible to do. though there are yellow kneepads this time!:) the gun really looks pathetic compared his elephant blaster in ESB.

ben_danger said:

got a bit more carried away on janboba...this would be impossible to do. though there are yellow kneepads this time!:) the gun really looks pathetic compared his elephant blaster in ESB.

Yeah I agree that this battle damage would be pretty much impossible to add frame by frame, but personally, I really like the idea of the armour being pristine in AOTC and then battered up in the subsequent period leading to Empire. :)

Love the yellow kneepads btw :D

Also, I'd be interested in knowing whether there's a way in photoshop of making the armour look more like a matt paint finish, rather than metallic.  His armour has an anodized look which isn't as obvious with the green as it is with the yellow.

i made two layers for all the armour recolouring, one that basically recoloured the highlights, and another that did the shadows. i guess futher tweaking could get the desired finish. but i guess the more complex the process, the longer and more agonising it would take in motion.:P

I'm posting a link here to GoodMusician's edit thread, he's edit will not be a radical story shake up but he has done some amazing changes which might inspire people who post on this thread regularly.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/My-Episode-III-Re-Edit/post/360965/#post360965

I posted this in response to a few of the sequences he has put up and I'm repeating it here as I was advocating more radical changes.

I would be even more bold with cutting away the the more silly aspects of Palpatine/Sidious.

As the puppeter Ian McDiamid can't be beat as the mad raving drooling loon he is far less interesting.

I wish Lucas had come up with a different explanation of why Palpatine looks the way he does in ROTJ (it would have made so much more sense if that was his true face which is eaten away by the power he wields than a nasty accident with a lightning blow back.

Perhaps a Mr Hyde morph would work better?

Mace too could be cut down even more to make him genuinely surprised that Anakin has done the right thing in reporting Palpatine to him and even show respect for him. Later do we need to see him crying out so much (it doesn't seem like pain either more like Sithish rage)? Just have Anakin disarm him and then have Palpatine shoot him out of the window. The more sudden and violent the betrayal the more shocking for Anakin the aftershock. He is suddenly in too deep to step back from the abyss.

The battle droids really need shutting up and toning down, I'd rather have a real Anakin looking down a lift shaft twice as long than an obviously CGI droid hitting another while sounding like cartoon character.

This is mildly off the topic of Bobago Fett, that is, it has nothing to do with it (If we're taking votes, I'm definately on the side of it being Boba in both AotC and ESB, I think it adds to the character, and I love the mockups ben_danger has put together), but on the subject of Order 66, is it possible to have the Jedi Purge initiated by Palpatine behind Anakin's back?  Leave off all the "we must now kill all the Jedi" drivel; I never thought it was well-reasoned, and even in Anakin's very suggestible state at the time, I don't believe that he would just rush off to kill younglings.  If Sidious initiates it behind his back, he can then say to Anakin later that he had evidence that the Jedi as a group were dangerous or whatever, blah, blah, blah.  The way Anakin just agrees to execute them all without even a flinch doesn't match the character in the rest of the prequels.  I would, however, believe that he would rush off to Mustafar to execute the Separatist leaders on Palpatine's say-so.  There's also so much extraneous dialogue in that sequence, I would suggest removing as much of Palpy's figurative mustache twirling as possible.

Even the storming of the temple might work as part of the basic order 66 montage if we leave off the scene of Anakin killing the kids (say, if we could get Palpatine to say something like "Go to the temple.  Then go to Mustafar and wipe out the Separatist leaders" (a paraphrase).  Anakin and the 501st might even be able to take the temple without much blood: after all, Anakin is a member of the Jedi Council and a legally-recognized advisor to the Chancellor.  The slaughter could begin after he leaves, and he could ostensibly be there just to revoke their "badges" or military commissions or something.  I don't know.  I'm mostly just brainstorming right now.  I will see if I can work on a script or slap a basic proof-of-concept edit on it.

If all of this didn't hinge on the logical leap of "the Jedi Council didn't tell me about their plans to confront Palpatine, and Mace tried to make the same choice about Sidious as I did about Dooku, so obviously now I need to slaughter every last child in the Jedi Temple" I wouldn't have a problem with it, but as it is, I can't take it at all.

I remember back around the time of TPM some magazine carried a picture of a plain steel looking Fett helmet and armour which (like Jengo) had no dings or dents in it. No paint just shiny metal.

Did I dream it or does anyone else remember what I'm talking about?

On a different note it kind of came up over in the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread so I'm going to post it here.

A lot of people don't like the dreams/flashforwards/visions in ROTS and feel they are out of place in the Star Wars universe.

At the risk of being branded a heretic, the cave sequence in ESB is a form of dream/vision but it's done in a completely different way.

If we saw Anakin's dreams of his mother and Padme in a more stylised and dreamlike manner with symbolism and ambiguity (rather than just a clipshow with a wobbly distortion) like Luke's vision of his head inside Vader's mask would that be more acceptable?

I seem to remember that in the novelisation of AOTC Anakin dreamt of his mother turning into glass and shattering (or was that somewhere else?).

These could become mini-projects in their own right.

How could they be done?

It's our chance to put a bit of David Lynch into Star Wars all those years after he turned down ROTJ.

omg, david lynch turned down rotj??? i dont blame him, but it could have been SO much better!!

i have been thinking of an ESB style dream sequences. i love how the original clone wars series showed a dream of anakin and qui gon at the tree, and especially thought that anakins prophetic dream was really well delivered.

in regards to the alternative timing for the jedi purge as suggested by guitarfan, i have two ideas (one more radical than the other)

1 (less radical)

we build up mace windus character as a bit of a paranoid ass. he is constantly putting down anakin and palpatine, his suspicions have turned this once great master to a a bit of a loose cannon. during ROTS, he builds up suspicions that palpatine is the dark lord, an idea that is too dreadful or extreme to even be considered by the council.

at the crunch point of the film, mace decides to take matters into his own hands "i sence a plot to destroy the jedi", "if the chancellor does not relinquish his powers then he should be removed from office." mace does this (from a certain point of view) he (possibly alone) confronts the chancellor, declaring his intention to save democracy and the jedi order, palpatine coldly replies "you're too late".

we now cut to a montage of the jedi being slaughtered as windu and palpatine battle. it makes the jedi's battle seem futile and tragic, that even if windu is victorious in slaying palpatine, hehas still failed to stop the massacre. anakin rushes in and saves the chancellor from the obviously delusional jedi.

this idea would fit in well if we try and direct it more from anakins point of view. mace obviously isnt a paranoid ass, but if we force the viewer to only see 60% of the real story, then he may appear to be, so we are betrayed into thinking the obvious bad guy is the good guy.

2 (more radical)

obi wan defeats grevious, ending the clone war. a message is sent to the jedi to return to coruscant to celebrate the event. the streets of the capital are flooded with people chanting palpatines name. anakin looks happy with padme, and it feels like the film is going to end with this wonderful feeling of victory (like the end of TPM, but bigger and less gay).

anakin goes to visit palpatine, who is surrounded by senators, who are waiting for him to go the senate hall for the resigning ceremony. the senators leave. at this point palpatine reveals to anakin that he is the sith lord.

the film continues as usual or alternatively the 'less radical' paranoid mace windu can be intertwined with this.

enstead of the jedi being killed in the field of battle, they are enstead massacred in the temple, hundreds of thousands of troops charge, overwhelming them completley. yoda and obi wan are the only two who escape, who then follow through to their respective battles. anakin believes palpatine's lies etc.

i would like to see this idea, as it would be a complete emotional flip. as we near 2/3 into the film, we think we are about to get to a happy ending, for everything to go horribly wrong in the final act. it would be great for the celebration to be in daylight to contrast the burning jedi temple in the evening.

let me know if you even read all of this.;) idea 2 needs a bit more work.

has anyone ever wanted to see an edit of ROTS where there is a happy ending? my GF hates watching it because it upsets her too much.:P

Bingowings said:

I remember back around the time of TPM some magazine carried a picture of a plain steel looking Fett helmet and armour which (like Jengo) had no dings or dents in it. No paint just shiny metal.

Did I dream it or does anyone else remember what I'm talking about?

 

On a different note it kind of came up over in the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread so I'm going to post it here.

A lot of people don't like the dreams/flashforwards/visions in ROTS and feel they are out of place in the Star Wars universe.

At the risk of being branded a heretic, the cave sequence in ESB is a form of dream/vision but it's done in a completely different way.

If we saw Anakin's dreams of his mother and Padme in a more stylised and dreamlike manner with symbolism and ambiguity (rather than just a clipshow with a wobbly distortion) like Luke's vision of his head inside Vader's mask would that be more acceptable?

I seem to remember that in the novelisation of AOTC Anakin dreamt of his mother turning into glass and shattering (or was that somewhere else?).

These could become mini-projects in their own right.

How could they be done?

It's our chance to put a bit of David Lynch into Star Wars all those years after he turned down ROTJ.

The shattering Shmi was in the AOTC novel I believe. I forgot all about that! That's perfect and fits right into the OT-established visions rather than dreams.

Shmi smiling and welcoming Anakin home only to swallowed by sand would be good too (these visions would be a good way of putting Qui-Gon in as well as a voice like Obi-Wan's in ANH and ESB).

I'm all for tying the PT films together by adding more Qui-Gon.

You could have a couple of scenes in ROTS where both Qui-Gon and Palpatine "visit".

We seem to be bouncing this idea across the threads (which is fine).

Perhaps the Padme dream could have the Palpatine line "You will die" from ROTJ but in a different context (and distorted) so it sounds like he is trying to save Padme from some terrible fate.

This would have it's pay off when he utters the lines in the final film.

yay! thanks for reading the mini essay SSWR!;) snape really hits the nail on the head. ultimatley now we understand and pity him the most. i agree the second one is a little ambitious. the essense though is to make us feel like the happy ending we might intially expect is merely seconds away, only for a tragic avalanche to hit straight afterwards, which could perhaps be gained through other means. i can imagine that maybe everyone seems relieved that the war is over, but mace is still pursuing his sith theories.

it may give "if what you have told me is true, then you have gained my trust" some added significance.

Wouldn't it just be easier (for Palpatine not for us) to blow up the temple with most of the celebrating Jedi inside it.

Imagine that huge structure coming down and the chaos in streets.

Palpatine could blame it on Rebel Senators who were backing the Seperatists.

Heaven's knows how it could be done but it would be very cinematic.

He could then cover up the Jedi purge by saying he is really fighting a Rebel Alliance.