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I'm glad you're going with the slightly curved borders.  It should look fine on tv and will give the whole presentation a unique look while giving us the most picture possible.  Good call on that and not overprocessing the image.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

neither of the DVD players that I have tried have explicit settings for 4:3 vs 16:9.


I'm surprised to read this. Of units I've seen (in passing), DVD player setup is usually accessible via the remote control's dedicated "setup" button. There may be certain models that rely on covert number-pad sequence entries or "press & hold" keys -- those would be revealed in a user's manual or a website of "tips & tricks" for DVD players (like, for example, http://www.videohelp.com).

 

CORRECTION: My previous mention of an "auto" option for a DVD player was (at least) inaccurate. A standard DVD player cannot determine the type of TV to which it is attached. ("Hi-Def" and up-converting players using HDMI connections may be another matter.) It requires a manual setting to indicate whether to use the anamorphic flag to "squash & bar" the picture, as needed, for a "square TV", or to ignore the anamorphic flag to allow the "wide screen TV" to "expand" the picture, as needed (if the TV's setting is to do so).

 

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Spaced Ranger said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

neither of the DVD players that I have tried have explicit settings for 4:3 vs 16:9.

I'm surprised to read this. Of units I've seen (in passing), DVD player setup is usually accessible via the remote control's dedicated "setup" button. There may be certain models that rely on covert number-pad sequence entries or "press & hold" keys -- those would be revealed in a user's manual or a website

Now look here... I'm ok with scanning a two-hour motion picture, experimenting with filter settings, color correction, and winding my way through the maze of dvd flags and aspect ratios.  But are you seriously asking me to read the user's manual?!  C'mon man, be reasonable!!

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
you seriously asking me to read the user's manual?!  C'mon man, be reasonable!!

Maybe you could get someone to read it to you? ...Or, just pretend to read it ;)

 

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

... are you seriously asking me to read the user's manual?

 

Yeah, I know, it's like "asking for directions" when driving.  :O  Sorry.  :)

 

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Man, this thread is super technical and I don't understand a lot of what's being discussed, but that's ok. Very much looking forward to this transfer. :) I still don't have the 8mm version, but I should be getting it...soon, I hope.

Speaking of the old versions, check out this ad from the April 1978 issue of Fantastic Films magazine*:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b302/Ripplin/ffstarwars1.jpg

So...how did this work, anyway? I know very little about this. I'm thinking this was not authorized by LFL. Did someone (possibly from Fantastic Films) just go into a theater and film the movie? How much trouble could they have gotten in? :p

 

 

 

*Awesome issue! Pretty much half devoted to Star Wars and half devoted to The Day the Earth Stood Still; two of my all-time favorites.

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Ripplin said:

(picture - April 1978 Fantastic Films magazine)
"Now you can see almost 8 minutes of exciting scenes from Star Wars in a specially condensed Super-8 version. All the visual splendor, the ships, effects, space battles, the heroes and villians of one of the finest Science Fiction films ever made."

"$8.95 for black & white silent version
$17.95 for color/silent version
$29.95 for color and sound version"

 

Woah! I'd go for the "color and sound" version, but only if it has the standard extras ... like director/actors/effects-crew commentaries, the-making-of documentary, behind-the-scenes videos, theatrical trailers, and web-isodes. (I'm glad the 1970's is long ago and far away.) :D

 

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Just so y'all know where I've been, here's a quick update.  I've been going through reel #1 making all of the patches it's been needing - little things here and there that crept in during capture.  Also, I've found that the spatial and temporal smoothers work great in some scenes, but poorly in others.  So I've made passes with and without, and am going through scene-by-scene selecting from them.  It's quite slow - I can get through about 4 minutes of film in a one hour session - but it should make a noticeable difference in the end.  So, progress is being made.  Of course, without seeing how cruddy it was to begin with, it'll probably still look cruddy to most of you, but hey at least I will have tried.

By the way, as I was looking very closely at some of the frames of reel #2, I made an amazing new discovery... shortly after Luke and Han arrive at the death star, one of the storm troopers bumps his head...

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Ripplin,  those are licensed legal "digest" versions sold by Ken Films back in the day. (Starlog had similar ads.)  They pop up on Ebay all the time as do many other films.

Long before there was home video, that's how people collected movies. UK companies like Derann still sell movies on Super 8 to this day! They even have ROTJ in all it's 1983 splendor. :)

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SilverWook said:

Ripplin,  those are licensed legal "digest" versions sold by Ken Films back in the day.

Right, if you want the "illegal" versions, then you need to find a copy of the Puggo Edition, which is basically an unauthorized DVD telecine of these same [legal] 8mm Ken films.  :)

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I bought one of those SW Ken Films from eBay several years ago (color AND sound!!!)....I still haven't bought a projector, though! (but I don't need one now, thanks to Puggo). :-)

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I made an amazing new discovery... shortly after Luke and Han arrive at the death star, one of the storm troopers bumps his head...

 

Amazing!  We have to tell everyone about this find right away!

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Mielr said:

I bought one of those SW Ken Films from eBay several years ago (color AND sound!!!)....I still haven't bought a projector, though! (but I don't need one now, thanks to Puggo). :-)

Even though the Puggo Edition exists, I have to admit that it doesn't really replace seeing the film(s) through a real projector.

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Quick progress report... I've finished my first pass of patches on reel 1. That involved using different types of smoothing on different scenes.  It was very tedious and I will need to do the same for the other two reels.  I also have a second pass of some miscellaneous border corrections - should be a lot quicker than the first set of corrections, though.

So progress is being made. Once those are all done, it'll be ready to encode.

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Hi, I'm Leo and I'm 21, and I didn't find a thread were I could introduce myself, so I'll put a few words here. I've been following this project (lurking really) for some time now, because, reading about the original trilogy and how it was "improved" during the years had left me thinking "surely there must be a way to watch these movies the way they hit the theaters back in the late 70s/early 80s". So I stumbled upon this site.

May I say I am really enthusiastic about the Puggo Grande because, even if the original trilogy dvds that have been released WERE the state of the art, they couldn't hold a candle to 16 mm film in my opinion. Film is the way to go when collecting movies. Too bad it's expensive, not to mention you have to take good care of the reels and the projector. Dvd has the good point of being handy, you just pop a disc into a pc, a player and you're set. If it scratches you just buy another one or use a backup copy. But I'm digressing...

Anyway, I have some questions. I understand this, when it will be released, will be in NTSC. So how should I convert it into PAL without losing quality? What program should I use? Should I speed it up or not?

Thanks in advance (and pardon me for any grammatical errors, english is not my language)

Leo

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Leonardo said:

I understand this, when it will be released, will be in NTSC. So how should I convert it into PAL without losing quality? What program should I use?

If someone would like to take my raw captures and produce a PAL version of the film - it would be a lot of effort but would turn out a lot nicer than converting my final NTSC DVD.  I'd be happy to make the raw frame captures available to anyone willing and able to do this.

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mmh I'd gladly do that but I'd have to

1. free my hard disk from a lot of junk (hopefully soon because my laptop is about to explode)

2. get me an external hd (hopefully soon too :D)

too bad christmas is 8 months away!

 

Raw captures would be huge I suppose.

Just 1 frame would take, like, a few megabytes??

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Leonardo said:

Anyway, I have some questions. I understand this, when it will be released, will be in NTSC. So how should I convert it into PAL without losing quality? What program should I use? Should I speed it up or not?

I recommend you don't convert. Even if you live in a PAL country, you are unlikely to have any problems playing back NTSC.

 

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yes moth3r, but what if I want to synchronize it with a dubbing?

Unfortunately I live in Italy, and in order to show it to my dad, it would be neat to do that.

If it were for me I'd leave it alone, but I want him to be able to watch the movie.

That is, provided I find a good mix, possibly pre-97.

And anyway I'd retain the original audio.