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An interesting thread from Blu-Ray.com (no Blu-Rays yet)

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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=63586

Yeah, I'm back. I found something you guys might want to read. It kinda explains why the Special Editions are the Lucas approved ones.

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I think his transfers are archive transfer. Maybe 4K or beyond. Frame-by-frame lossless compression or none at all. All the CGI-animated files are probably archived too, in case they need more tweaking; after all, he saved ALL of the VFX elements even way back then.

Pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

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I think if Lucas really had all of the VFX elements, he should have actually gone through and recomposited EVERYTHING.  There are way too many transparent mattes that could be elminated 100% if he actually had them.  I'm sure he still has the CG files, but this whole thing comes from a post on a thread.

I don't think Lucas has the original VFX.  It may not be true, but that's what I think.

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Lucas has absolutely no excuse for not releasing the original unaltered trilogy on BD.

Each disc should feature the original, unaltered 5.1 sound taken from the archival six-tracks. Possibly also a 4.0 mix from the discrete 4-track masters used to create the Dolby Stereo soundtracks. Modern remixes are optional.

In addition, the first disc needs to include both the original SW and the '81 re-release ANH crawl, and of course the original mono mix.

As for all the other shit - '97 SE, '04 DVD and/or 3D versions - he's welcome to do whatever he wants with them.

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This is straight from the mouths of the Lowry guys:

"We were working at 1920 by 1080 at full RGB." So that throws out the 4K theory. I remember asking at least twice in the same thread what resolution the Indy trilogy was restored at and no one answered my question. I'd thought I read somewhere that it was 4K, but if one of you guys knows then please clarify 'cause I'd like to know.

-lossless compression or none at all: probably true

-saving the cgi files: I've been curious about this for a while. When I first watched the '04 dvd's, it looked to me like the '97 cgi shots had simply been scanned from the negative just like everything else. I only say that because I thought I noticed a very, very slight flicker and/or framedrift in shots such as the asp knocking the floating droid to the ground right before Luke's speeder zooms into frame. The shot of the Falcon about to touch down on the Cloud City landing pad (right before it cuts to the miniature) is another example. Then of couse there's also the example of the color that got sucked out of a '97 shot during the battle of yavin (when wedge flies through the exploding tie fighter he shot). So I don't know if he saved the files.

-saving all the old VFX elements: they're right about that. Any making-of on the SE will mention this.

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Fang Zei said:

-saving all the old VFX elements: they're right about that. Any making-of on the SE will mention this.

I wish he would open source all of these elements and let someone with the time and patience re-composite the whole movie.  All I can see now is transparency!

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I bet I know what GL is gonna do: He's gonna release the SE on BR, with a few bells-n-whistles...and then release the OT (the 1993 LD version)..........on HD-DVD - As a giant F-U to all the fans.

........do I sound bitter?..........naa, it's probably my imagination...lol

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If he would release the OT (Star Wars in pre ANH state) in its original Way on HD-DVD (maybe together with additional Discs containing following versions) and not on BluRay it would be the reason to buy a HD-DVD Rom for me!

Even if there are too many transparency and color issues in the THX-remastered, the 1997 SE and the 2004 versions.. okay... I want them too! They are part of this releases.

I hate the THX remastered Version for seeing boxes around the ships.

I hate the SE-1997 for deleting the original Ewok Celebration Song!

I hate the SE-1997 in german for some freaky dubing problems (In one scene Lord Vader has a different dubbing voice)

But I want all of it!

If GL wants another reSFXing, okay. But I also want the old stuff! For what? Just for the good time I had with it!

I want it in englisch and german (because I raised with the german versions).

I want to choose wich way I want to spend my evening with the good old stuff.

I don't need to see supreeme digital FX to enjoy a good movie.

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If the Blu RAys are really coming out in 2012, what stupidity they flood the market with useless dvd re-releases and then make people wait til they no longer care.  Also the HDTV bootlegs that people have are out there.  Way to go lucas he is making a great market for those scam artists and ripoffs who will take advantage of the fact people want these movies now in the best resolution they can get them for their HDTV.

I don't know the facts here but is it at all possible that Lucas has given these HD broadcast networks exclusivety for the moment, or is he still waiting for digital download of 50 gig blu ray like streaming content,lol.

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Oh well...Since I don't have a BR player to begin with, I'll just wait for the prequels to be released on CED Videodisc.......they still make those...right?*

 

* Please note the sarcasm. I know that CED's stopped being made in 1986, so don't worry - I'm not crazy...I'm just weird, lol.

(And, I already know that Return of The Jedi was one of the last movies released on CED.)

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But did you know that Back to the Future CED was rarer than Return of the Jedi,lol.  I own the jedi ced but no player.

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Back to VCD!

Letz make a preservation of the six Malaysian 1997 SE VCDs inclusive "Episode II Sneak Peak Behind-The-Scenes with George Lucas"

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If people who want the 2004 transfers in HD already have them thanks to the tv airings, that's good for us. It means fewer people will buy the blu-rays unless Lucas puts some effort and all the versions on them. To make a blu-ray, they should make a new transfer. A HD print made 5 years ago for dvd and tv is not as good as HD captured for blu-ray video. That would be extremely lazy (though not by LFL standards anymore) to just use the 2004 master and not fix anything again for the blu-ray.

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Well, according to Lowry, they did just about the best job they could for the amount of time they had (about a month per film). I doubt LFL would bother to pay for anymore cleanup, the only thing they really need to fix is vfx errors they didn't get around to fixing in '97 or '04 (I'm talking matte boxes and the like). Hopefully they'll also realize "okay, the color correction is interfering with how things are supposed to look in certain shots (the lightsabers), we should probably fix that."

As for the OOT, well, the only explanation they offered back in '06 was "existing prints are in bad condition." They could retcon that to mean anything they want if/when they suddenly choose to dig up and restore the interpositives and do 1080p transfers of them.

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Why couldn't they have just used the '97 print for the dvd release, then come out a few years later with a proper "ultimate restoration" dvd with more time. The clips from Empire of Dreams looked fine, I think most people would have been very happy with that for a dvd release.

Then Lucas could have double dipped and given people more of a reason to buy the movie again. Instead the exact same 2004 version has been released 4 times on dvd. And maybe 5. I'm now seeing the sucky 2004 silver covers sold individually in stores but with the sticker that they also have the original version. Does this mean LFL is trying to dump their excess stock of cases from the first two box sets?

As a matter of fact, why did Lowry even need to "restore" the films again when they should have been in excellent condition from 1997?

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Lowry's 2004 digital restoration was to get rid of every last scratch or piece of dirt on the negative. This couldn't be done back in the photochemical days of 1997, when all they could hope for was stabilizing the color and cleaning off the film with a sponge.

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With the Clone Wars animated movie and Indy 4 now on Blu-ray with the Clone Wars season 1 now comfirmed being released on Blu-ray and with the possibility of the 3 original Indy movies coming to Blu-ray by year's end, it seems like Lucasfilm is really starting to embrace the Blu-ray format. maybe we'll be seeing the 6 Star Wars films on Blu-ray sooner then we did on DVD.

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Fang Zei said:

As for the OOT, well, the only explanation they offered back in '06 was "existing prints are in bad condition." They could retcon that to mean anything they want if/when they suddenly choose to dig up and restore the interpositives and do 1080p transfers of them.

 

 You know, if they did pull that, I'd be okay with that, as long as we get beautiful Blus of the unaltered trilogy.

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Hopefully we would get Blu-rays of all versions of the OT. It isn't like Lucasfilm wouldn't have the space on a Blu disc!

ANH Disc: 1977 version, 1997 version, 2004 version(for completists only)

ESB Disc: 1980 version, 1997 version, 2004 version(not really necessary)

ROTJ Disc: 1983 version, 1997 version, 2004 version(throw the 04 blu ray in the bargain bin)

All transfers should be anamorphic and fully restored with new tracks plus the original versions should have all sound mixes!!! This means having the 35mm, 70mm, mono, stereo and all other mixes of ANH, ESB, and ROTJ!!!

Lucasfilm will come round eventually and bring balance to the force....do or do not-there is no try!

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Now that the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD format war is over I wonder when we'll start hearing some rumblings of a Blu-ray release of the six Star Wars movies?