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Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

 

How is he a cousin?

A cousin is the child of the sibling of one of your parents, not the sibling of the spouse of one of your parent's siblings.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

 

How is he a cousin?

A cousin is the child of the sibling of one of your parents, not the sibling of the spouse of one of your parent's siblings.

 

 

Well cousin is loosely defined. There are second and third cousins and there can be generational gaps between cousins...I generally call anyone I can't place a name on a cousin. For all intensive purposes it really doesn't matter, I just don't think Luke and Obi-wan should be related.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

 

How is he a cousin?

A cousin is the child of the sibling of one of your parents, not the sibling of the spouse of one of your parent's siblings.

 

 

Well cousin is loosely defined. There are second and third cousins and there can be generational gaps between cousins...I generally call anyone I can't place a name on a cousin. For all intensive purposes it really doesn't matter, I just don't think Luke and Obi-wan should be related.

 

first cousin once removed 1 a child of one's first cousin. 2 one's parent's first cousin.
first cousin twice removed 1 a grandchild of one's first cousin. 2 one's grandparent's first cousin.
second cousin a child of one's parent's first cousin.
second cousin once removed 1 a child of one's second cousin. 2 one's parent's second cousin.
third cousin a child of one's parent's second cousin.

So in that scenerio Ben and Luke aren't related in any way I can define (is there a genealogist in the room?).

Luke could call him an honourary uncle I suppose but he could do that anyway, it's certainly less odd than having a lady Luke was snogging for two movies turn out to be his sister just to try and trump the Vader being Luke's dad thing in the previous episode and close the Han/Leia/Luke love triangle.

Octorox said:

Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

That's funny because I never thought that's what Star Wars should be about, which is part of why I'm so excited about this.

The original trilogy is about Luke, not Anakin.  The prequel trilogy, while I feel it should be able to be seen first without spoiling the surprises of the OT, should only exist to give context to the original trilogy, and I feel that Obi-Wan should be the central character while Anakin's role (size-wise) should be roughly equivalent to his role in the OT.

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent. The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't. Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

 

I liked the irony of it. As if it's an ability he shouldn't even wield, since if deflected right back it's extremely poisonous. They can't take a dose of their own medicine you know.

OzoneSherrif said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent. The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't. Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

 

 

I liked the irony of it. As if it's an ability he shouldn't even wield, since if deflected right back it's extremely poisonous. They can't take a dose of their own medicine you know.

 

It makes you wonder why Yoda didn't reflect it into Dooku's face (thus saving George a fortune paying Christopher Lee to turn up for his cut and paste session in ROTS), or better still deflect it even more in Palps already ugly mug and turn him into a raisin (are raisins more wrinkly than prunes?).

Wow...I go to work for a few hours and a whole page moves on without me.

I agree with Octorox for the familial relationships.  Let's not make any more people related than we need.  It makes the whole galaxy too small.  I was blown away by the idea of Owen as brother-in-law because it was SO simple but it never occured to me and opens up many story telling possibilities.  I think if Owen and Obiwan were brother's it would have come up at SOME point in the OT.  Obiwan would have at LEAST been distraught at Owen's death.  Let's just keep it simple (with a twist).

ChainsawAsh about diving into Ep1, be careful that we don't jump the gun either.  We need to define MANY things about the structure and charcter archs before we start ANY script.  Otherwise we'll end up in the same hole I think Lucas got himself into.  I think he started kind of where we are...All kinds of ideas!  Then he built his SAGA one movie at a time, BUT he made the mistake of saying it was a trilogy so he had to wrap up his ideas in ROTJ, which I thought was really rushed.  Think of how cool it would have been if Luke had killed Vader in Ep6 and then "the other" that Yoda spoke of could have helped redeem him in Ep7.  Wouldn't it have heen cool if that "other" were not some SURPRISE sister but the one person who never believed in the force anyway...Han.  I always felt that they never knew what to do with him in ROTJ anyway.  He wasn't really a scoudrel so they tried to play up him being jealous about Luke and Liea's new found closeness.  So years later, Lucas decides to create the prequels, and they suddenly turn the SAGA from the adventures of Luke Skywalker into the fall and redemption of Vader.  I wonder if he originally intended the fall to be Luke but lost his chance because he ran out of time in the OT.  So lets not rush anything.  We've only been at this for about a week.  The Ep1 can still be stand alone, but we need to know where he are headed, lest we write ourselves into a corner and run out of time as well.

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

 

 I don't think the word "Sith" should ever be uttered in the PT. It's so vaugley defined in the Star Wars Universe and I think it would confuse anyone who saw the PT and thinks sith automatically equals evil jedi. I think the clones could be just formed from mandalorian hosts (various, explaining the different height stormtroopers) which where picked for the strength and ability. If we want to give Boba a backstory he could essentially be a "glitched" clone who develops an unusual cunning and  will of his own and breaks away from the Republic after training, becomes a bounty hunter and aids the Seperatists/Confederacy/Bad guys/whatever for a quick buck. We still would never see Boba as a kid, we would never se his "father" and we would never see him "unmasked" but we would still give the popular character a backstory and potray him with respect to his portrayal in ESB.

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

That's funny because I never thought that's what Star Wars should be about, which is part of why I'm so excited about this.

The original trilogy is about Luke, not Anakin.  The prequel trilogy, while I feel it should be able to be seen first without spoiling the surprises of the OT, should only exist to give context to the original trilogy, and I feel that Obi-Wan should be the central character while Anakin's role (size-wise) should be roughly equivalent to his role in the OT.

Well yes, it's about Luke. I should have clarified. I see it as about the skywalker duo, father and son. the father's fall, his son's following his footsteps and straddling the path to the dark side and then his redemption

Thank you!  I'm so glad someone brought that issue up.  I hated the idea of the "Sith," especially the way they operate in the current PT.  But what bugs me most is that before the PT, my impression was that Vader and Palpatine represented a different kind of organization than the Jedi were, one that wasn't remotely spiritual, and they used something spiritual in a way it should never be used in order to crush the Jedi in the name of conformity and order (the only way to have the two, in their minds, being the elimination of spirituality, which the Jedi represented).

There should be nothing of the sort in our PT.  Palpatine is not the leader of any order, just a Hitler-esque politician who uses the Force in a way it shouldn't be (the "Dark Side") to gain power.  He sees that he needs other Force-users once his power becomes more vast before he can becom Emperor, and thus attempts to corrupt some of the best Jedi in order to turn them rather than trying to find one in his military or administration.

The Boba idea is interesting, but I don't think he really needs much of a story.  We could try it out, and if it becomes detrimental to the story, we can write it out.

Octorox, I agree, lets skip the term Sith.  It was never in OT (on screen) anyway. As I mentioned before, if a jedi isn't "right" instead of Sith can't we just call them a "dark Jedi"?

WheresBlackhawk said:

Octorox, I agree, lets skip the term Sith.  It was never in OT (on screen) anyway. As I mentioned before, if a jedi isn't "right" instead of Sith can't we just call them a "dark Jedi"?

 they don't really need a "title". They didn't in the OT and they don't really in the PT.

WheresBlackhawk said:

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

I still think Tim Zahn's use of the clones is a far better example of what the Clone Wars might have been if George had thought it through more. Why would you use a clone from one person only? That only gives you one person's experience and knowledge. It's very limited, especially in an army situation where you need the knowledge and experience of more than one person. They might all develop their own personalities, but at the end of the day you're still dealing with a billion examples of one person.

Cloning Jedi, however...that's something different and could well provide the solution to the Sith problem. What if Jedi were cloned? Fighting an enemy who knows your every move as you make them (or even anticipating them) is far more difficult. Could you see yourself in the Force? Perhaps this explains why clones are difficult to 'see'. Maybe some of these clones survived and developed their personalities in opposite to the originals?

After all, what's a clone war if you only have clones fighting on one side...?

Just to add, perhaps this is also what caused the downfall of the Jedi too...their belief that the clones they had of them would see them through the war...?

WheresBlackhawk said:

Wow...I go to work for a few hours and a whole page moves on without me.

I agree with Octorox for the familial relationships.  Let's not make any more people related than we need.  It makes the whole galaxy too small.  I was blown away by the idea of Owen as brother-in-law because it was SO simple but it never occured to me and opens up many story telling possibilities.  I think if Owen and Obiwan were brother's it would have come up at SOME point in the OT.  Obiwan would have at LEAST been distraught at Owen's death.  Let's just keep it simple (with a twist).

ChainsawAsh about diving into Ep1, be careful that we don't jump the gun either.  We need to define MANY things about the structure and charcter archs before we start ANY script.  Otherwise we'll end up in the same hole I think Lucas got himself into.  I think he started kind of where we are...All kinds of ideas!  Then he built his SAGA one movie at a time, BUT he made the mistake of saying it was a trilogy so he had to wrap up his ideas in ROTJ, which I thought was really rushed.  Think of how cool it would have been if Luke had killed Vader in Ep6 and then "the other" that Yoda spoke of could have helped redeem him in Ep7.  Wouldn't it have heen cool if that "other" were not some SURPRISE sister but the one person who never believed in the force anyway...Han.  I always felt that they never knew what to do with him in ROTJ anyway.  He wasn't really a scoudrel so they tried to play up him being jealous about Luke and Liea's new found closeness.  So years later, Lucas decides to create the prequels, and they suddenly turn the SAGA from the adventures of Luke Skywalker into the fall and redemption of Vader.  I wonder if he originally intended the fall to be Luke but lost his chance because he ran out of time in the OT.  So lets not rush anything.  We've only been at this for about a week.  The Ep1 can still be stand alone, but we need to know where he are headed, lest we write ourselves into a corner and run out of time as well.

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

At what point does Luke seem distraught over the death of Owen and Beru? He hurries back, he calls out to them and then he is silent, if anything Ben shows more emotion over their deaths and he is forewarned by the Force. The inclusion of the revelation that he was Owen's brother was in the novelisation which suggests to me it may have been in some form of script treatment at some stage (as deleted scenes have got into the novelisations in the past) and it makes more sense hiding Luke with a brother he doesn't get on with than the step-brother of the father he's trying to hide him from.

I hated the idea of the "Sith," especially the way they operate in the current PT.

Maybe we can twist the thing a bit. What about the Sith (don't even mention that name anyway) being "separatists" Jedi?

I can even see the movie starting with a reunion between a Queen, a Trade federation and two arriving Jedi, unless the Jedi actulaty kill everyone.

This create a tension between the republic and the Jedi council. Yoda is under arrest for being the leader of the Jedi, and Obi-Wan leads an inquiry to redeem the honnor of his master.

I don't know where this story could go though, just an idea.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

 

 

 I don't think the word "Sith" should ever be uttered in the PT. It's so vaugley defined in the Star Wars Universe and I think it would confuse anyone who saw the PT and thinks sith automatically equals evil jedi. I think the clones could be just formed from mandalorian hosts (various, explaining the different height stormtroopers) which where picked for the strength and ability. If we want to give Boba a backstory he could essentially be a "glitched" clone who develops an unusual cunning and  will of his own and breaks away from the Republic after training, becomes a bounty hunter and aids the Seperatists/Confederacy/Bad guys/whatever for a quick buck. We still would never see Boba as a kid, we would never se his "father" and we would never see him "unmasked" but we would still give the popular character a backstory and potray him with respect to his portrayal in ESB.

Darth Vader, Dark Lord Of The Sith is such an entrenched part of the Star Wars universe that not addressing it is utterly bonkers, it's like not doing the Clone Wars at all, everyone has heard the term and it deserves a better explanation than a couple of bad guys with red light sabres.

Palpatine and Coruscant aren't mentioned by name until the PT and Boba Fett (in one line) and Anakin only get a name check in ROTJ, but they are major parts of Star Wars lore.

The same goes for Dark Lord Of The Sith, if he's Dark Lord of it we need to know who or what it is and why he's it's/their Dark Lord.

It doesn't make much sense having the Emperor also a Sith Lord as it turns the Empire into a rather small closed shop.

I like the idea of there being thousands of ambitious creatures like Vader, trying to climb up the greasy pole only Vader is the best.

So Darth Vader Dark Lord Of The Sith shouldn't be too special, he's a warlord of a particular group but with a reputation which strikes fear in people (like Blackbeard: The Pirate King).

The idea of Sith Pirates comes from an earlier draught script : "Led by a young Padawan named Darklighter, who had succumbed to the temptations of the dark side, the evil Sith pirates became the Emperor's bodyguards and hunted down the remaining Jedi." (Star Wars.com) and the term was passed down through books and magazines released during the OT era.

Vader clearly isn't Boba Fett's master so the Mandalorians should remain as a race of skilled bounty hunters with a strict honour code (in keeping with Feudal Japanese feel of much of the OT).

I can't imagine them volunteering to be the template for a clone army it would be like prostitution.

Should they be forced into being cloned I could imagine them helping to fight against the force that committed such a dishonourable violation (Clone War One perhaps?).

As for the Emperor himself couldn't he just look that way in ROTJ because he's an alien who just looks that way anyway?

It makes a heck of a lot more sense than having him look like a human and figure out a way he can turn that way at the last minute.

astromech said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

 

I still think Tim Zahn's use of the clones is a far better example of what the Clone Wars might have been if George had thought it through more. Why would you use a clone from one person only? That only gives you one person's experience and knowledge. It's very limited, especially in an army situation where you need the knowledge and experience of more than one person. They might all develop their own personalities, but at the end of the day you're still dealing with a billion examples of one person.

Cloning Jedi, however...that's something different and could well provide the solution to the Sith problem. What if Jedi were cloned? Fighting an enemy who knows your every move as you make them (or even anticipating them) is far more difficult. Could you see yourself in the Force? Perhaps this explains why clones are difficult to 'see'. Maybe some of these clones survived and developed their personalities in opposite to the originals?

After all, what's a clone war if you only have clones fighting on one side...?

Just to add, perhaps this is also what caused the downfall of the Jedi too...their belief that the clones they had of them would see them through the war...?

No. It's like midichlorians. If Jedi could be cloned it would show that the force is biological and not spiritual. Big mistake IMO

Bingowings:  What is the Dark Side of the Force is like a cancer?  It consumes living things and the living power of the force.  The stronger you get, the weaker your "physical" body gets.  It can help explain Vaders armor and the emperor prunish exterior.  Remember that the force was never about physical strength anyway.  So as the emperor comes to power he APPEARS to be weakening which could lead to people following him out of respect for what looks like a dying leader, but in reality his powers are getting stronger

WheresBlackhawk said:

Bingowings:  What is the Dark Side of the Force is like a cancer?  It consumes living things and the living power of the force.  The stronger you get, the weaker your "physical" body gets.  It can help explain Vaders armor and the emperor prunish exterior.  Remember that the force was never about physical strength anyway.  So as the emperor comes to power he APPEARS to be weakening which could lead to people following him out of respect for what looks like a dying leader, but in reality his powers are getting stronger

Hmm....I never thought about Vader's ailment being a result of his misuse of the force. That's actually an interesting idea.