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RG-6 cable can span longer distance than RG-59, but I'd guess we'd be talking orders of magnitude longer than 2m before the losses become significant.

At 2m or less, I don't expect you'd see much difference.

 

If you had an external device like another LD or professional video monitor providing a sync signal, then I think you'd turn that switch on.

Without an external sync connected I believe you should leave that switch off so the player generates its own sync pulses from its internal clock.

 

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Few updates.

I tested capturing in huffyuv and it workes ok now and saves a lot of space.

I upped the contrast and saturation in my capture card settings and I have to say it looks much better now. The black of space is, well, black and the colors are better.

I also noticed rainbowing (which is a bit more visible with higher saturation I think). I'm not sure what and if I can do anything about it (except for a few avisynth filters that I don't want to use). I don't know, maybe it's on the LDs itself.

I tried 2 different voltage convertors. They turned out to be chinese crap. fffffff is going to send me a quality convertor from the States.

I'll buy a BNC cable and BNC to RCA plug to reduce haloing.

Darth Mallwalker, I guess the back of your player looks like this?

Tomorrow I'm going to France for 10 days and I won't be here during that time.

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Rainbowing is a comb filter artefact (caused by hi-frequency luminance information affecting the chroma demodulator). When I looked at the specs for the SAA7135 chipset it said it supported 3D (motion-adaptive) y/c separation, but also went on to mention a built-in 4-line adaptive (2D) comb filter.

What is the actual make/model of your capture card?

You could try using a comb filter in another device. For example, feed the composite signal from the LD player into a DVD recorder, then connect the s-video output from that to your capture card.

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I have this one.

I have a pretty good dvd-recorder (also has component out). I'll give it a try (not sure it can handle NTSC though).

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Max_Rebo said:

... as for the levels I'm no expert but I'd say you need to reduce the brightness and increase contrast on the capture card settings to try and use the full range of the capture card, this will give much better results than adjusting afterwards with Avisynth.


I've been thinking about this, and concluded that adjustment afterwards in Avisynth is the better option if you're doing a multiple cap average. Will post in the technical forum later when I've got some example screenshots showing what I mean.

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I've come to the same conclusion but probably for a different reason.

I can't get rid of the ghosting/haloing. I tried a coax cable with bnc to rca plug at the end, it doesn't make any difference.

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Do you have a "sharpness" slider in the capture card settings? (In VirtualDub's capture mode, you can get this from either Video->Levels, or Video->Capture Filter, Proc Amp tab.)

If so, try reducing the sharpness.

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Hmmm, that works pretty well. But I have to set it to -6 or -5 to reduce the haloing/ghosting as much as possible and the overall image is a bit softer that way.

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Yes, that's the bandwidth limitation of laserdisc video I'm afraid.

The halos make the image look sharper, but it's artificial - you're not actually gaining any resolution.

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That's OK if that is the limitation, I just want a clean capture. I did a few more tests. I think -5 gives the best quality. Can I assume this setting is OK for Empire and Jedi also?

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Nice thread. That's a good example.

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Before starting this transfer I was afraid of three things:

- dotcrawl

- haloing/ghosting

- rainbowing

As far as I can see dotcrawl won't be a problem. The haloing/ghosting is solved for the most part by adjusting the sharpness settings of my capture card. The only thing that bothers me a bit is some rainbowing. I tried the "derainbow" script and it solves the rainbowing a bit but I was wondering if there is anything that's better.

 

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I'm still working on this. I bought a PDI deluxe card for capturing. Problem is, the video and audio is out of sync (it was in perfect sync with my other capture card so I don't like this at all). But the sync seems to be constant so it should be pretty easy to fix, if you know what the delay is. I have a pretty good idea what the delay is by now but I would like a second (or third+) opinion. So I uploaded a fragment of Leia talking to Darth Vader (link below). It's a seperate mpeg2 stream and a wave file so pretty easy to load in virtualdub mpeg and to play around with the audio delay. Can anyone help find out the audio delay?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GRCG9AXS

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Why did you buy the PDI card when you already had a capture card with the later 7135 chipset?

Shouldn't the later and presumably more advanced chipset be better for capturing?

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I'm still working on this. I bought a PDI deluxe card for capturing. Problem is, the video and audio is out of sync (it was in perfect sync with my other capture card so I don't like this at all). But the sync seems to be constant so it should be pretty easy to fix, if you know what the delay is. I have a pretty good idea what the delay is by now but I would like a second (or third+) opinion. So I uploaded a fragment of Leia talking to Darth Vader (link below). It's a seperate mpeg2 stream and a wave file so pretty easy to load in virtualdub mpeg and to play around with the audio delay. Can anyone help find out the audio delay?

 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GRCG9AXS

-300ms, but that delay could drift over a much longer video,

you can't tell with this one... (it could be -270ms or -350ms)..

 http://rapidshare.com/files/148132350/x2-300ms.avi.html

later

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Orinoco_Womble said:

Why did you buy the PDI card when you already had a capture card with the later 7135 chipset?

Shouldn't the later and presumably more advanced chipset be better for capturing?

Because the 7135 card also has a tuner (which can introduce noise). With the PDI I can more accurately set the sharpness settings, etc. It's a better card although the chipset is older.

 

Arnie.d said:

I'm still working on this. I bought a PDI deluxe card for capturing. Problem is, the video and audio is out of sync (it was in perfect sync with my other capture card so I don't like this at all). But the sync seems to be constant so it should be pretty easy to fix, if you know what the delay is. I have a pretty good idea what the delay is by now but I would like a second (or third+) opinion. So I uploaded a fragment of Leia talking to Darth Vader (link below). It's a seperate mpeg2 stream and a wave file so pretty easy to load in virtualdub mpeg and to play around with the audio delay. Can anyone help find out the audio delay?

 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GRCG9AXS

-300ms, but that delay could drift over a much longer video,

you can't tell with this one... (it could be -270ms or -350ms)..

 http://rapidshare.com/files/148132350/x2-300ms.avi.html

later

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Thanks for the help. I though it was something like -225 to -250.

 

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Yes, still working on this. Screenshot time!

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Looks pretty good. Any chance of a short video clip so we can see it in motion? Also, what's your eventual release strategy for this?

 

Man, I wish I were rich enough to afford LD players and LD copies of Star Wars. Of course, then I'd also have to be talented enough to properly set up the captures and post=process them...

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Spudz777 said:

Man, I wish I were rich enough to afford LD players and LD copies of Star Wars. Of course, then I'd also have to be talented enough to properly set up the captures and post=process them...

 

 check out ebay,

i got a decent player for very cheap US$50, and the discs are even cheaper

(unless you're getting the japanese boxed sets).. even the definitive sets in CAV

can be gotten for under $20 if you look properly..

 

you can get even better players, by spending a little bit more..

 

the price is not the problem, its the weight, as shipping will be a large

part of the cost..

 

later

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Arnie.d did you notice that during scene changes there is like garbage at the bottom of the frames?

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Are you talking about splicing glue on the film itself, or some digital capture artefact?

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inurenegade said:

Arnie.d did you notice that during scene changes there is like garbage at the bottom of the frames?

I see it all the time on early Pokémon, that's an artifact of the process of editing, iirc

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If this is what you mean I think it's glue:

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Spudz777 said:

Man, I wish I were rich enough to afford LD players and LD copies of Star Wars. Of course, then I'd also have to be talented enough to properly set up the captures and post=process them...

 

 check out ebay,

i got a decent player for very cheap US$50, and the discs are even cheaper

(unless you're getting the japanese boxed sets).. even the definitive sets in CAV

can be gotten for under $20 if you look properly..

 

you can get even better players, by spending a little bit more..

 

the price is not the problem, its the weight, as shipping will be a large

part of the cost..

 

later

-1

 

Yeah, ~$100 isn't much in the long run, but I'm a PhD student, married, with a 2 year-old. That's groceries for a couple of weeks. There's still the talent thing to overcome, as well.