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Star Wars - The Vintage Edit (* unfinished project *) — Page 5
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I have the gout and the dvnr smearing and whatever digital sharpening was done is awful and makes the movie unwatchable.
The only way i can see to possibly make the gout look better is to replace the worst sections with the japan special collection footage, only this would take a lot of color correcting and matching to get the two sources to match.
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I'm VERY excited about this project. Please keep us updated! :)
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Just stumbled upon this page and am VERY pumped about this project. I rather get the impression that the X0 project is probably dead in the water now alas (and I certainly hope that laserman is doing OK, which is the most important thing) and this looks like THE most exciting prospect of getting the original version in a high quality format - Luca$ be damned!
Glad also that my rip of the 85 remix laserdisc may come in useful as well :) Would be awsomeness-cubed to have all the soundtracks on one disc.
... off to have a cold shower ;) Lol
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I didn't want to do an update until I had something new to show. I got a few really good looking encodes going, and I wanted to post screenshots, but it could use some more tweaking. I'm having an issue with a strange jitter every second. Seems to be because Adobe Premiere reads my HD source as 23.00 fps instead of 24. Right now I'm just working on reassociating some files and figuring out the jitter. I'm only completely lost on a few things:
1) The opening matte lasers are proving to be kind of tough, I could either overlay the lasers from the opening of the GOUT, which would be idea, and authentic. What I'll probably have to do though, is redo each one, which is fine, except the HD video moves so slow and all.
2) The opening crawl looks great, until it recedes about four lines up, and major aliasing appears on the edges. I either need to learn to recreate the crawl on my own, in HD res or higher, to avoid aliasing, or put an antialiasing blur on the crawl four lines up. Again, the only issue with either is the cumbersome work involved with HD running.
3) There's four transitional wipes that Premiere can't do because it won't feather the edges properly. The four wipes include, R2 in the canyons, the wipe to Ben's hut, the wipe to the cliff overlooking Mos Eisley, and the wipe to the entry in Mos Eisley. I've been looking for programs to do just those shots with, but can't seem to find a program my computer is up to par with, or a program that will do the wipes right, or that I can work up to the learning curve for.
Anyway, besides that, everything's going fine. I have a small side project in which I'm trying to create an general approximation of the original six track mix. Sources include the 2004 SE DVD 5.1 surround track, the 1997 SE 5.1 surround track, the stereo six track mix preservation from Belbucus, as well as the isolated score. The idea is to repair/re-approximate/mix/rework the various mixes into a 5.1 experience of the original six track.
So it's still moving. If anyone has any advice, or help, it would be greatly appreciated. I might be able to post new screenshots in the next few days or so.
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PaulisDead2221 said:
I didn't want to do an update until I had something new to show. I got a few really good looking encodes going, and I wanted to post screenshots, but it could use some more tweaking. I'm having an issue with a strange jitter every second. Seems to be because Adobe Premiere reads my HD source as 23.00 fps instead of 24. Right now I'm just working on reassociating some files and figuring out the jitter. I'm only completely lost on a few things:
1) The opening matte lasers are proving to be kind of tough, I could either overlay the lasers from the opening of the GOUT, which would be idea, and authentic. What I'll probably have to do though, is redo each one, which is fine, except the HD video moves so slow and all.
2) The opening crawl looks great, until it recedes about four lines up, and major aliasing appears on the edges. I either need to learn to recreate the crawl on my own, in HD res or higher, to avoid aliasing, or put an antialiasing blur on the crawl four lines up. Again, the only issue with either is the cumbersome work involved with HD running.
3) There's four transitional wipes that Premiere can't do because it won't feather the edges properly. The four wipes include, R2 in the canyons, the wipe to Ben's hut, the wipe to the cliff overlooking Mos Eisley, and the wipe to the entry in Mos Eisley. I've been looking for programs to do just those shots with, but can't seem to find a program my computer is up to par with, or a program that will do the wipes right, or that I can work up to the learning curve for.
Anyway, besides that, everything's going fine. I have a small side project in which I'm trying to create an general approximation of the original six track mix. Sources include the 2004 SE DVD 5.1 surround track, the 1997 SE 5.1 surround track, the stereo six track mix preservation from Belbucus, as well as the isolated score. The idea is to repair/re-approximate/mix/rework the various mixes into a 5.1 experience of the original six track.
So it's still moving. If anyone has any advice, or help, it would be greatly appreciated. I might be able to post new screenshots in the next few days or so.
I had problems with Adobe premier. the actual problem is that you file will be 23.976 but adobe reads it as 23.98. a major problem with adobe products. The best way to sort it is to import your avi into Virtualdub and change the framerate to 25fps (its doesn't add any frames just changes the timing) and export using direct stream copy.chaneg your project to 25fps and same with the exported finished file. then you can import the finished video again into virtualdub and change the framerate back to 23.976. This works like a treat and no jitter problems.
For the wipes you can either use Adobe After effects and make the wipes yourself or use Sony Vegas as they have many of the wipes used in Star wars.
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How about using the original title crawl from the Empire of Dreams documentary DVD? I think this is better quality than the GOUT, and it's already anamorphic? Might give you what you need?
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It's incomplete, though
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PaulisDead2221 said:
.... I have a small side project in which I'm trying to create an general approximation of the original six track mix. Sources include the 2004 SE DVD 5.1 surround track, the 1997 SE 5.1 surround track, the stereo six track mix preservation from Belbucus, as well as the isolated score. The idea is to repair/re-approximate/mix/rework the various mixes into a 5.1 experience of the original six track.
This side project definitely gets the Moth3r seal of approval. ;-)
Seriously, I've considered doing the same thing myself.
I assume your audio will be GOUT-synched? A good reference would be the '93 mix, run through a software pro-logic decoder to get four (left/right/centre/surround) separate channels. The effects in the extracted surround channel could be replaced with the equivalent full-range sounds + LFE elements from the '97 mix where applicable. (Is there actually anything useable in the '04 mix? According to general opinion, it's an abomination.) Of course, the '93 additions would have to be removed to be truly '77 authentic.
When you've got a rough draft together, it'd be worth contacting the forum audio experts (thinking Neil S Bulk and Belbucus in particular) and asking if they could audition and comment on your mix.
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Yeah, I reconsidered using the 2004 mix. I'm in talks of obtaining the optical captures of the 1997 SE 5.1 mix. Those seem to be much better than the 1997 upmix that's been floating around. It will be GOUT synched (just as my whole project is GOUT synced). I can mostly spot the major differences between 93 and back, and I have a forum page saved with information on some of the more subtle additions in 1993 and on (extra lasers and such). I'll definitely compile a test mix for the right people.
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I cannot wait for this. About the crawl, am I nuts, or is the GOUT opening shot (including the crawl, pan down and the ships flying overhead) look noticeably better than the rest of the movie? Apart from the whole non-amamorphic-ness the film source looks good to me, I wonder what it is...
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PaulisDead2221 said:
I can mostly spot the major differences between 93 and back, and I have a forum page saved with information on some of the more subtle additions in 1993 and on (extra lasers and such).
That sounds interesting. Can you post a link?
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70mm-mix-to-93-mix-comparison/topic/6501/
Oh yeah, never mentioned, Ripplin. Nice avatar.
I cannot wait for this. About the crawl, am I nuts, or is the GOUT opening shot (including the crawl, pan down and the ships flying overhead) look noticeably better than the rest of the movie? Apart from the whole non-amamorphic-ness the film source looks good to me, I wonder what it is...
I believe the consensus is that the opening shot must have been captured from a proper film source, and was edited in from the opening logo, to the subsequent shot after the initial pan down. It makes for a great source if I can just get the aliasing off the edges in the back lines.
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Thanks, Paul, for the link and avatar comment. A couple of other people have asked about it. Very different if you don't know who he is!
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Why not try and merge the Empire of Dreams crawl with a mirror crawl created by yourself? Like take the Empire of Dreams one, and then when that ends, seamlessly branch in a re-creation.
As for not making one? I know that the editdroid team made a very good crawl, although the letterbox might be a problem.
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The EOD crawl is from a different source and is of noticeably poorer quality; the stars barely even register. And its also interlaced.
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Sorry if this is common knowledge, what makes the german HD broadcast a particularly desirable source? Was it the 1997 version, or something else about it that makes it the best? thanks
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Baronlando said:Sorry if this is common knowledge, what makes the german HD broadcast a particularly desirable source? Was it the 1997 version, or something else about it that makes it the best? thanks
The German HD broadcasts were superior quality compared to the Uk & US broadcasts. The picture was sharper & with less broadcast compression artifacts than the others
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I am very intrigued by PaulIsDead's idea of creating a new 5.1 mix from various sources. Having just gotten a subwoofer, I'm particularly interested in what you'll be doing with the bass content. The 2004 mix is an abomination, there's no doubt about that--and one of its most significant problems is that everything is overly bass-heavy--but from careful listening and comparison to other mixes, I don't believe the LFE track itself is the problem. The apparent bass-heaviness of the mix actually seems to come from the main channels, where it sounds to me like many individual sound effects were heavily EQ'd towards the low end prior to being mixed, which gives the entire movie a distorted, nasty sound. I would agree that most of the 2004 sound should be shunned; but I wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility of using getting bass content from the LFE track. The Alderaan explosion and Millennium Falcon flybys do sound pretty nice . . .
I don't really know whether the '97 5.1 mix contains the same LFE, since I've only heard it in stereo, but I'd imagine so (although probably not as loud). I seem to remember reading that in making the '97 mix Ben Burtt and his team created new LFE that hadn't been there originally, so who knows how "authentic" to the '77 six-track the bass really is, but it sure does sound cool. I'd sure like to be able to watch the original edit of the movie while retaining that sort of low frequency stuff. ;)
I've been toying with the idea of creating a new 2.1 mix for each film, using the '93 tracks and editing the LFE from the special editions to synch up. I'm not sure if I have to capability to do that, though; the things I've tried so far haven't been entirely cooperative.
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About the 1997 subwoofer channel: That's an interesting point you bring up about the authenticity of using the lfe from the 1997 mix. If I understand correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), Star Wars originally used a 'baby-boom' sub-woofer effect for the six track (simply amplifying low frequencies in that channel), so I don't know how I feel about nixing the 1997 lfe for the cheap 1977 lfe effect for the sake of authenticity. Luckily it'll be some time before I get access to the 97 mix, so I'll have time to think about it I suppose.
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...bare in mind that they recorded the '97 LFE too 'hot' - noticed this when I saw it in the cinema, and then again when I had the SE laserdisc set (yes I RAN out and bought it back then I'm ashamed to say!). In particular listen to the force rumble in the Death Star meeting scene - it distorts several times very badly...
At least that was something they actually managed to fix for the 2004 DVD release - lol
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Will this a DVD-9 I hope so!
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PaulisDead2221: Among the many SE scenes in the 2004 DVD set that are being replaced with the unaltered 2006 GOUT DVD scenes, is the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader on the Death Star, where Lucas messed with the appearance of the lightsabers to be like the prequels in the 2004 SE, on that list to be replaced with the original unaltered scene? :)
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