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doubleofive said:


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4980/esbcloudcity1gb9.jpg

Now, this is the shot I mentioned before where I think the windows need to be closed.
A few seconds before this shot, there is a closeup of Leia shooting, but there is no window seen behind her.

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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

If the windows existed, they should be visible to the left of this door...

Otherwise, I would also like to see more ships take off.
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The door may not be necessarily right at that point. The cooridor could wrap along further which would make the windows on the other side of the building facing the sun in that last photo with the stormies.
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Man, I really like the adding ties idea....just makes so much sense....Adywan is a genius.....peace....
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While I think the idea of having ships leave Cloud City is a rather excellent one, I don't agree on the idea of having Tie Fighters shooting them down. Something like that would be a very powerful moment, and just coming out of not one but two powerful moments is pretty filling in on itself.

And for something like that to even happen, there would have to be something to establish it. Seeing tie-fighters shoot down civilian ships would be kind of random. There is nothing to gain from shooting down the ships. They're not rebels and they pretty much had nothing to do with the rebels.

Also, wouldn't the idea of Lando telling his people to flee only to be shot down be kind of careless of him?
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doubleofive said:

Here's my 5 cents on the "TIE Fighters at Cloud City" issue:

At first I was excited about the prospect, then I read the good arguments about how that really wouldn't be Vader's MO. Then Darth Stewie turned me back around to liking it as we don't get to see much Imperial oppression against innocents. However, I still don't think it fits due to sequences in the movie.

Lando and Co blast their way out of Cloud City and leave in the Falcon with no problem. Then they turn around and pick up Luke. THEN the TIEs come down on them. I think that's when the "more Imperial troops" are arriving, because if there's already TIEs in the air over Cloud City, how does the Falcon leave, come back, and pick up Luke without being shot at?

I'm all for having various ships leaving after Lando announces the Empire's intentions (and as a fan of "Firefly", you could have Serenity really small in the background), but I'm no for the TIEs.


Okay, here's me trying to swing you back again....... Think of it. Who says that Lando and Co. blast their way out with no problem? IMO, your sequence of events is incorrect. You said "Then they turn around and pick up Luke. THEN the TIEs come down on them." That's not right. That's what we see, but the dialogue says differently. Right when Leia says "we've got to go back" Lando replies "What about those fighters?" Well right there is what we need to justify putting some TIES in. There are apparently TIES after them and the Imperials did what? Give up? That doesn't add up. I mean, are they just sitting around on some landing platform next to their TIES having coffee and a donut when one of the pilots looks to his buddies and says, "Damn. Its a shame they got away. I'm sure Lord Vader will be understanding that we were on a break and couldn't go after them. I mean, Union rules and all.... Hey... What's that in the distance there? Oh shit! Those fools turned around! Hell, I guess we had better get to work and go chase them now. Hey TK469... have you seen my keys?" Granted, this is one possible scenario but I have a different theory. I believe there's a whole squadron there busy with their orders to blast anything out of the sky that moves since at this point the Imperials are aware of Leia's escape and Lando's treachery. It would make everything even more intense knowing that the TIES are everywhere and ships are getting blown to smithereens and yet, after barely escaping on the platform and being just far enough ahead of the pursuing TIES, Leia insists they go back into that hellstorm to rescue Luke. At this point, you have to feel Lando's exasperation when he hears her make the "suggestion" that they turn back. We don't actually know what will happen to our heroes this time because so much bad has happened to them in this film already that they don't seem bulletproof anymore. Plus, only 3 TIE fighters!!! Come on! I don't buy it. After everything the Imperials went through to capture them it would seem that the same guy who said, "Hold your fire. There aren't any lifeforms aboard" is the one giving the orders. Here's the scene,

Officer: "Commander. The rebels that Lord Vader is "force choking" everybody to get his hands on, have just escaped, but they have just taken off and aren't that far ahead. What should we do?"

Commander: "Send 3 fighters to pursue them!"

Officer: "You mean 3 fighter squadrons right?"

Commander: "No. Just 3 Fighters."

Officer: "Sir.... are we paying by the laser now?"

Commander: "You don't make the budget Terry.... I do."

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Darth Stewie said:



Okay, here's me trying to swing you back again....... <AWESOMENESS>


Darn you Darth Stewie. Darn you to heck. I was watching the movie in fast forward to get those shots, I forgot about "What about those fighters?!" I guess we would need fighters then to make that make more sense. Why didn't you mention that before?!

I agree that it should be more than 3 fighters. But if the Falcon goes back to the City to pick up Luke, I guess no one notices them for a while because they went to the underside...

I love being in the middle of these debates, I wish I didn't switch sides so often. :-)

Can't wait to hear what Ady thinks after his daughter's prom.

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Just for Sevb, here's some more screenshots of Things I Never Noticed and One Thing I Have:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

Like I said, the buildings don't match the other shot of the Falcon anyway. Too bad they're the same as Slave 1's also. Oh, and Slave one's clear cockpit got bluescreened all the way out. Maybe we could do something about that too.

I also can't wait to see the Falcon's "exhaust" being blue all of the time.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3886/esbcloudrefineru8.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4776/esbcloudxwingst6.jpg

At least they recomposited Cloud City to make it different sizes.

And my personal favorite that I ran into while fast forwarding:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8874/esbreflectionca5.jpg

Um, yeah. That's unfortunate.

I'm going to work with ImperialFighter on one of his concepts soon.

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Hey doubleofive, how do you put pics in your post?

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Darth Stewie said:

Hey doubleofive, how do you put pics in your post?


If you click the "Help" button on the top or bottom of the page, it lists the forum codes. I use Imageshack for hosting my pictures.

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thanks brother. check back in a day or two on your "share your star wars story" thread. now that i've gotten a little know-how, i'll share a few tidbits of my life with star wars. those little things in "help" really do ummm...... help.

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Darth Stewie said:

Hey doubleofive, how do you put pics in your post?

I wondered that too, as it has changed since the revamp. If you click on "Help" up near the top (beside "Contact Us"), it shows you what different formatting can be done here, including adding pictures. The formatting for adding images is a little odd compared to most forums.

Edit: Oh, he beat me to it. ;)

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Wow. I can't believe I never noticed that the background plate was exactly the same in those two shots (falcon/slave I). Even the clouds are exact. If that stays in it will bug me forever. Thanks for that.

Oh! Hell I just thought of one of the biggest things that bugs me. In ANH, I can sort of handle the fact that Tarkin and Dodonna pronounce Leia "Lee uh". Begrudgingly, I can even handle Lando saying Han's name like it rhymes with "hand" and then 3PO repeating him because he says "it sounds like Han(d)". The one thing I can't stand though is Leia saying it that way. She says it correctly several times before this scene and then she says it just like Lando and 3PO. That definitely needs to be fixed. The best "Han" she says to match the tone would be "Han, get up here" during the asteroid chase.

Jeez I wish I could do this stuff myself.

Also, you don't have to have much of a dirty mind to get this one. When Yoda tells Luke that he'll take him to "Yoda" he beckons Luke and there needs to be a pause. Just a little longer..... it sounds so gross the way it is. Let's take out the period between the two sentences and this is how it sounds.....

Luke: "You know him?"

Yoda: "Take you to him I will. Yes. Yes. But now let's eat (no pause) come. Good food. Come. Come."

Does anyone else find the sick humor in this or is it just me. Kinda reminds me of the "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought" line.

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Darth Stewie said:

Wow. I can't believe I never noticed that the background plate was exactly the same in those two shots (falcon/slave I). Even the clouds are exact. If that stays in it will bug me forever. Thanks for that.

Well, as we've seen in ANHR, Ady does a nice job with replacing skies and clouds and such. :)

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Darth Stewie said:

Also, you don't have to have much of a dirty mind to get this one. When Yoda tells Luke that he'll take him to "Yoda" he beckons Luke and there needs to be a pause. Just a little longer..... it sounds so gross the way it is. Let's take out the period between the two sentences and this is how it sounds.....

Luke: "You know him?"

Yoda: "Take you to him I will. Yes. Yes. But now let's eat (no pause) come. Good food. Come. Come."

Does anyone else find the sick humor in this or is it just me. Kinda reminds me of the "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought" line.



yeah, a guy I knew used to say that Yoda line every time he answered the door to his place when I came over. it was disturbing to say the least, but I couldn't see ol' Oz making that kind of joke... leave that up to people like us. ;)

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You are all bastards. Now between Yoda's 'come' and using the same background plates for different shots, this film will never be the same again!

Oh well...Roll on Ady's edit!





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theres another shot in empire where you can see the white screens off screen used to reflect light onto the actors reflected in 3P0


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Darth Lars said:

doubleofive said:


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4980/esbcloudcity1gb9.jpg

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doubleofive said:


http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

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btw:
The weather is very cool:
From much clouded, to no clouds at all in not even a minute.. (if the exit door you see in shot 2 is just behind the corner in shot 1)

(hope no one mentioned it before, but I'm lack of time to get through all pages atm. :) )

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doubleofive said:

Just for Sevb, here's some more screenshots of Things I Never Noticed and One Thing I Have:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

Like I said, the buildings don't match the other shot of the Falcon anyway. Too bad they're the same as Slave 1's also. Oh, and Slave one's clear cockpit got bluescreened all the way out. Maybe we could do something about that too.

Yes the buildings and clouds should be changed in the one of those shots. (Falcon and Slave I) It seems there is yet another differing set of buildings behind Fett in the shot where frozen Han is being loaded up into Slave I, if you can post that one too, that would be great. Thanks for all the screencaps!



http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3886/esbcloudrefineru8.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4776/esbcloudxwingst6.jpg

At least they recomposited Cloud City to make it different sizes.

Look at those clouds between the two shots, they are reversed negative, but yes the city is different sizes, in one of those shots the clouds should be completely changed, it doesn't matter which shot.
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Sevb32 said:

doubleofive said:

Just for Sevb, here's some more screenshots of Things I Never Noticed and One Thing I Have:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

Like I said, the buildings don't match the other shot of the Falcon anyway. Too bad they're the same as Slave 1's also. Oh, and Slave one's clear cockpit got bluescreened all the way out. Maybe we could do something about that too.

Yes the buildings and clouds should be changed in the one of those shots. (Falcon and Slave I) It seems there is yet another differing set of buildings behind Fett in the shot where frozen Han is being loaded up into Slave I, if you can post that one too, that would be great. Thanks for all the screencaps!


Better to change the Slave I shots. If he changes the Falcon shots, then he has to change ALL the Falcon shots from back when it lands in the first place.



http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3886/esbcloudrefineru8.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4776/esbcloudxwingst6.jpg

At least they recomposited Cloud City to make it different sizes.

Look at those clouds between the two shots, they are reversed negative, but yes the city is different sizes, in one of those shots the clouds should be completely changed, it doesn't matter which shot.
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Change the X-Wing shot. The X-Wing doesn't go through the clouds, it's just matted in front, so no blending FX needed like would be to keep the gas satellite thing in the first shot.

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Wow! So many screenshots and comments since I last had a chance to check in. It'll be a miracle if Ady ever finds time to actually do some work on this edit, with all our musings here that he has to read through....which thankfully he seems to.

Nice debate going on over this, but annoyingly, I am called away right now until Monday at the earliest, and won't get a chance to chime in about this whole 'TIE fighters seen from balcony' thing until then, till I get a few screengrabs of my own sorted out to show certain 'lead-ups' and 'exchanges' to the balcony idea, and hopefully give an option about why this is quite a logical thing for Adywan to show....

I want to thank doubleofive and RiccondilRinon for kindly agreeing to help me out with future 'shots' by the way, and I have a few things in mind yet that may be of interest to Adywan and others. I'll be in touch when I can.



Quickly while I remember! - That scene where Han and Lando 'swap places', with Leia inbetween, that was brought up previously....

I've never worried about it myself, as I've always looked on it as being a 'slight jump forward in time' during their chat as they all make their way along the city corridors....as the scene is so different from the first part of it - Leia is no longer holding Han's arm at this point, and the people and corridor 'set' now behind them (I'm not referring to the SE addition part) are totally different, as are the floor markings now. I just assumed that somewhere between this transitioning 'time jump', something occured to explain the characters now being on the other side of Leia. If Han's voice at the start of the 'change-over' had been modulated to seem 'low' at first, then rose quickly up to it's 'normal' sound level, this brief 'jump in time' to the new corridor area would have been
emphasised better I think.

Gotta go, I'm getting earache from the family! :(





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Here's my thoughts on TIEs and such at Cloud City:

So Vader and a garrison of troops under the help of Boba Fett land on Cloud City intent on capturing Han Solo and setting a trap for Luke Skywalker. Cloud City is essentially a peaceful mining facility with no real military or advanced police force. They have some firepower, but not enough to stave off a full-fledged attack. Vader and company know this and don't bring down a full invasion force to keep their presence hidden. Most likely, Vader and troops depart at their destination and then have Vader's shuttle (and any remaining ships - if they even brought more than the one) fly off to the other side of Cloud City or some other hidden area close by (not all the way back to the Executor (which may not even be at Cloud City, since Han and crew don't seem to detect its presence on arrival. The Executor could be some light years away awaiting a signal to return - who knows?)). And they wait.

The trap is sprung, Han is captured, Vader decides to keep Leia and Chewbacca, and Vader battles with Luke. At this time, everything is going exactly to plan. Most of the heroes are under wraps, the populace is unaware of the Empire's presence, and Vader has Luke exactly where he wants him. More ships/troops are still not needed. Eventually, Vader fails to turn/capture Luke and believes Luke to either be dead or at the very least unreachable. Time to leave, and still no need for more troops.

Here's where the troops are required: Having lost Luke, Vader needs Leia and Chewbacca more than ever. However, with the help of Lando, they escape their guard and alert the populace to the Empire's presence. The trap has failed and the city knows the Empire is there. There is no longer a need for subterfuge and Vader calls for his shuttle and apparently more TIE fighters.

As Vader awaits his shuttle and reinforcements, Lando and company are making their escape along with the rest of the city. Vader leaves the city, the Executor makes its reappearance from wherever it was and TIEs are launched to ensnare any escaping ships. One could assume their orders are to disable any ships and not destroy as they're after Leia and Chewbacca. Vader assumes if they are to escape somehow, they would certainly go for the Millennium Falcon (disabling of the hyperdrive and all) but can't be sure. He doesn't need some Imperial pilot blowing away his only link to Luke. The TIEs don't see the Falcon until it's already getting out of Dodge and then pursue.

Essentially, I think no TIEs should appear until the Falcon is already blasting out of Cloud City. There should be massive air traffic from the evacuation as the heroes try to make it to the Falcon, but no pursuing TIEs. From Vader's plan, there was no need for TIEs on hand in or around Cloud City in order to maintain the element of surprise. Once the plan falls to pieces, then the fighters are recalled. There simply wouldn't be enough time to have them flying around destroying ships (nor would Vader want them to do this) immediately after the Vader/Luke fight.

As the Falcon is escaping, that's when we could see a squadron of TIEs flying towards Cloud City and hence Lando's "What about those fighters?" line.

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Savage makes good points. I've gone back and forth enough, but I suppose my first screenshots stand with Savage's idea here.

Here are more background comparisons:

Slave 1 load:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3041/esbslave1loadlj7.jpg
Slave 1 leave:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1817/esbslave1qe4.jpg

These backgrounds do not match at all, and the clouds behind the close up of Fett match the load screen and not the leave one.

Falcon arrive:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3010/esbfalcon1do4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5728/esbfalcon2qw4.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8905/esbfalcon3tj5.jpg
Falcon leave:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9699/esbcloudcity2ks9.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

The shot of Han walking towards Lando and the shot of Lando and Co running towards the Falcon match almost perfectly. Everyone walking straight towards camera is a really good match to the Falcon blasting off. It all looks good, except that none of the clouds matching the more CGI shots.

So my vote is to change Slave 1's background in all the shots, because the Falcon one's match fairly well.

Ramp arrive:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4620/esbdoorwaysw3.jpg
Ramp leave:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

The ramp towards the city has the fancy CGI background that kind of matches the original matte, but as they leave its back to the matte. Maybe we could recolor the CGI to replace the matte as they're leaving.

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if you were to have ties in, would you consider having a star destroyer in the far distance? i dont know how, but one thing i did like about the PT is seeing star destroyers in other enviroments other than just space.

loving the traffic ideas, i think the backgrounds need that extra movement to give them the realism that coruscant had.