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Thanks for reassuring all of us MeBeJedi. Some of us were getting a tad-bit worried.

Is there any chance that you could please describe a bit more about the processes that were mentioned earlier on? I would love to learn more about the 'magic' that you guys are performing.

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I would rather watch a complete cleanup of the Laserdiscs (X0), than a mixture of color corrected HD SE's and "some working elements to better fill in that missing 10%."
They will just not mix together (again, see OCP).

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They certainly seemed to mix perfectly in Star Wars Revisited. And judging by the Black Magic examples posted, the detail level between the X0 and the DVD of the SE is pretty much inperceptable. Upconverting that for an HD version would result in some drop in quality, but not jarringly. OCP's Classic Edition sucked because the sources he had access to sucked. I think he was using Cowclops. He might as well have been using a VHS. PaulisDead is offering marked improvement with his Vintage Edit, and Adyway showed what more creative digital rotoscoping/compositing can do, but with a full roster of Black Magic corrected OOT shots the problem is effectively resolved.

This is my plea to the X0 crew: release the OOT-exclusive shots. I'm sure you have many of them done in the Black Magic process. The completed X0 cut still has merit, but if you want to aid the community I would offer that making available whatever work you guys have thusfar completed in this area would be the most beneficial gift we could have.
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Here is my plea. Do whatever the hell you want to do. People can pull the shots they want out of that.

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I found an old post on the old forum where Laserman had put up some pictures of the X0 vs the D925 and possibly other playersa as well. Unfortunately, it looks like those files are nolonger at the URL listed in the original post.

Could someone please repost these pics as I'd love to have a look at them for interest sake.

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Yeah, the X0 machine is supposed to be superior to all other laser disk players, the best picture quality possible. I'd like to see those comparison shots, too. :)

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Laserman said:

Below is a blowup of a test of the X0 player with NTSC disc vs the 925 player with PAL disc. Note the comb artefacts on the 925 version on the right. (The regular looking 'noise pattern') The 925 player is considered the best PAL player out there for video quality along with the 2950. Its hard to get a straight compare as the discs have different levels and framing etc. This example is just to show some of the video problems with using various LD players. It may be possible to tap the 925's video chain earlier and get a cleaner picture, in which case the extra resolution of the PAL set may make it the ultimate source. The PAL image is courtesy of Karyudo.

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yep, I second that. Many thanks for reposting mum :)

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Thanks for the post. :) You can see how much cleaner the picture is on the X0, very nice. :)

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So I take it this "release" won't be using DVNR or EE whatsoever? I certainly hope the film grain will be left untouched.
Are there any concurrent plans using the X0 player for other preservations except Star Wars or did you guys waste your moneys only for this project? Alot of other LD's could have a highly beneficial means of preservation if utilised via the X0 player.
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They're fixing the DVNR that was done to the LD masters as much as possible (scenes that were too badly damaged were fixed using the Japanese Special Collection, etc).

And if I remember correctly, no member of the project actually owns an X0 player, they sent them to someone else for transferring ... or something ... I'm probably wrong on that ... but the big point here is that no, they won't be able to do other transfers.
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

or did you guys waste your moneys only for this project?


Geez mate, that's a pretty harsh statement. I don't think I'd consider it a 'waste of money' if I was lucky enough to be able to afford and X0 player. Besides, how much money are you prepared to ‘waste’ on your own LD preservations?

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Alot of other LD's could have a highly beneficial means of preservation if utilised via the X0 player.


Yep, this is undoubtedly true. I have one LD in particular that I guarantee no one else on the forum has even heard of which I would love to get transferred from an X0 player as well. Sadly, unless you either own an X0 or are very good mates with someone who does, then I think your chances of getting anything transferred on one of those players is pretty slim.

Here’s a thought; why don’t you go out and ‘waste’ a huge amount of money on an X0 player and then offer it to the rest of us to use for our own preservations? Sounds like a pretty good idea to me :)

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Orinoco_Womble said:

DarkGryphon2048 said:

or did you guys waste your moneys only for this project?


Geez mate, that's a pretty harsh statement. I don't think I'd consider it a 'waste of money' if I was lucky enough to be able to afford and X0 player. Besides, how much money are you prepared to ‘waste’ on your own LD preservations?

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Alot of other LD's could have a highly beneficial means of preservation if utilised via the X0 player.


Yep, this is undoubtedly true. I have one LD in particular that I guarantee no one else on the forum has even heard of which I would love to get transferred from an X0 player as well. Sadly, unless you either own an X0 or are very good mates with someone who does, then I think your chances of getting anything transferred on one of those players is pretty slim.

Here’s a thought; why don’t you go out and ‘waste’ a huge amount of money on an X0 player and then offer it to the rest of us to use for our own preservations? Sounds like a pretty good idea to me :)
I would buy an X0 player but it certainly wouldn't be used for any Star Wars preservations. Nah, I'd rather transfer all of those LD extras which aren't on DVD if I could. Believe me I would if I had the means to especially if I could afford it.
There are other films besides Star Wars which need to be preserved. I'd be making my own "X0 Utilised Projects" if I already had the capability and equipment.
These wouldn't be "Fan Edits" either.
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Ah....ok.

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X0 and X9 are too rich for me, which is why I use a nearly bottom-of-the-barrel LD player for my Disney preservation projects. :/

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DarkGryphon2048 said:

I would buy an X0 player but it certainly wouldn't be used for any Star Wars preservations. Nah, I'd rather transfer all of those LD extras which aren't on DVD if I could. Believe me I would if I had the means to especially if I could afford it.
There are other films besides Star Wars which need to be preserved. I'd be making my own "X0 Utilised Projects" if I already had the capability and equipment.
These wouldn't be "Fan Edits" either.


I can certainly dig a lot of what you're saying and I'll agree that there is a heck of a lot of stuff that has only been released on LD or VHS which also deserves a decent preservation effort. BTW, if by any chance you do ever buy an X0 player, then please feel free to PM me and I'll send you my ultra-rare LD for preservation ;)

For myself though, Star Wars was such an important part of my childhood experience that it seems such a travesty that it hasn't had the proper DVD release that it deserves. I can certainly appreciate the efforts that the X0 team have gone too and I for one am truly amazed by their tenacity and level of expertise and I applaud their efforts. I would also recommend that you read both the old and the new X0 threads thoroughly because if nothing else, it's all a bloody good read.

As for the 'fan edits', yeah I'll agree that's not my cup of tea either. Having said that, I'm not gonna bag anyone else for getting up off their bum and spending their own time on something that they obviously enjoy doing. Good on 'em and good luck to 'em.

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Orinoco_Womble said:

DarkGryphon2048 said:

I would buy an X0 player but it certainly wouldn't be used for any Star Wars preservations. Nah, I'd rather transfer all of those LD extras which aren't on DVD if I could. Believe me I would if I had the means to especially if I could afford it.
There are other films besides Star Wars which need to be preserved. I'd be making my own "X0 Utilised Projects" if I already had the capability and equipment.
These wouldn't be "Fan Edits" either.


I can certainly dig a lot of what you're saying and I'll agree that there is a heck of a lot of stuff that has only been released on LD or VHS which also deserves a decent preservation effort. BTW, if by any chance you do ever buy an X0 player, then please feel free to PM me and I'll send you my ultra-rare LD for preservation ;)

For myself though, Star Wars was such an important part of my childhood experience that it seems such a travesty that it hasn't had the proper DVD release that it deserves. I can certainly appreciate the efforts that the X0 team have gone too and I for one am truly amazed by their tenacity and level of expertise and I applaud their efforts. I would also recommend that you read both the old and the new X0 threads thoroughly because if nothing else, it's all a bloody good read.

As for the 'fan edits', yeah I'll agree that's not my cup of tea either. Having said that, I'm not gonna bag anyone else for getting up off their bum and spending their own time on something that they obviously enjoy doing. Good on 'em and good luck to 'em.
I wonder why the X0 team doesn't also utilise the player's capacity for high quality video output to preserve the extras? That's what befuddles me.
As I was already saying, if I already had all the equipment necessary and just needed to buy the X0 or X9 player, I'd be buying LD's like crazy for preservation. It's not just the Star Wars OOT which needs to be preserved, there's a whole gamut out there just waiting for it. Only thing if there'd be a demand of course. Perhaps these would necessitate a Pay it forward-type thing? Never know.
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Orinoco_Womble said:

BTW, if by any chance you do ever buy an X0 player, then please feel free to PM me and I'll send you my ultra-rare LD for preservation ;)

That's the second time you've referred to this disc. Any chance you can tell us what it actually is sometime? ;)

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Ripplin said:

Orinoco_Womble said:

BTW, if by any chance you do ever buy an X0 player, then please feel free to PM me and I'll send you my ultra-rare LD for preservation ;)

That's the second time you've referred to this disc. Any chance you can tell us what it actually is sometime? ;)
It's so Ultra-Rare it mustn't be named! Oh, wait, maybe it's a Japanese exclusive or something? It boggles the mind. I'd probably buy an X9 since it might have a finer tuned comb filter. Or an X0. X9 since it has that auto-changer thing with the laser. I'd prolly work on the CAV variant LD's if given projects. Excluding Star Wars of course. Set up a PiF chain too.
Only a random pipedream though. And Ripplin, I'd send back both the ultra-rare LD and the DL DVD I use for it to you. If I had an X0/X9 player and all the equipment.
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I saw one as new X-0 player sell for 10 thousand american dollars on ebay once, this guy online sells an as new x-9 for about 9,500.

only really rich people seem to have these players are they are becoming even more rare as collectors buy them up.

I have no idea how much one of these players would cost you in japan if you knew japanese and the dollar to yen difference.

People who sell them in the us seam to sell them for 2 to 3 times what they are worth just for greed and profit.

That being said i have seen the pioneer elite cld-99 with the rf output go on ebay for a high as 400.00 dollars, $750-950 new as well.

the X-0 team does not have the player so asking them to preserve your laserdisc treasures is a waste of their time and yours.

They had some unnamed benefactor who owned the player. supposedly the player had been moded for RGB output.

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Ripplin said:

That's the second time you've referred to this disc. Any chance you can tell us what it actually is sometime? ;)


Sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude or build up suspense. The reason I didn't mention it was because I didn't think that this was the correct forum for talking about other LD movies in the 'SW X0 thread'. Actually, the rare LD that I have is for the '1990 Honda VTec CR-X'. It's a sort of video sales brochure for the car and is quite collectable to other CR-X'ers. It's my precious (insert best Golum voice) ... ohh dear, all this talk aof CR-X's and I think I may have put Ripplin to sleep :/

DarkGryphon2048 said:

It's so Ultra-Rare it mustn't be named! Oh, wait, maybe it's a Japanese exclusive or something?


Yes, Japanese exclusive ... it's my precious (I'm a KIWI. LOTR quotes are compulsory down here).

DarkGryphon2048 said:

And Ripplin, I'd send back both the ultra-rare LD and the DL DVD I use for it to you.


umm, it was my LD that we were talking about. Not nice to go giving my LD's away to other people like that.

skyjedi2005 said:

I saw one as new X-0 player sell for 10 thousand american dollars on ebay once


The last one I saw on Yahoo.Japan was this one: http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e75671394
$1900 USD is pretty good and much better than what it'd go for on EBay. A bit too expensive for me and my mortgage though. Bummer! :(

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Orinoco_Womble said:

Actually, the rare LD that I have is for the '1990 Honda VTec CR-X'. It's a sort of video sales brochure for the car and is quite collectable to other CR-X'ers. It's my precious (insert best Golum voice) ... ohh dear, all this talk aof CR-X's and I think I may have put Ripplin to sleep :/

Not at all! I love the CR-X, and cars in general. :) I actually have a dealer only Honda DVD. Haha. It's called "The Power of Dreams: Salo de l'Automobil de Barcelona 2005." Just talks about innovations, like Asimo, for instance.

So yeah, I have some weird stuff, too. ;)

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Orinoco_Womble said:

Ripplin said:

That's the second time you've referred to this disc. Any chance you can tell us what it actually is sometime? ;)


Sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude or build up suspense. The reason I didn't mention it was because I didn't think that this was the correct forum for talking about other LD movies in the 'SW X0 thread'. Actually, the rare LD that I have is for the '1990 Honda VTec CR-X'. It's a sort of video sales brochure for the car and is quite collectable to other CR-X'ers. It's my precious (insert best Golum voice) ... ohh dear, all this talk aof CR-X's and I think I may have put Ripplin to sleep :/

DarkGryphon2048 said:

It's so Ultra-Rare it mustn't be named! Oh, wait, maybe it's a Japanese exclusive or something?


Yes, Japanese exclusive ... it's my precious (I'm a KIWI. LOTR quotes are compulsory down here).

DarkGryphon2048 said:

And Ripplin, I'd send back both the ultra-rare LD and the DL DVD I use for it to you.


umm, it was my LD that we were talking about. Not nice to go giving my LD's away to other people like that.

skyjedi2005 said:

I saw one as new X-0 player sell for 10 thousand american dollars on ebay once


The last one I saw on Yahoo.Japan was this one: http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e75671394
$1900 USD is pretty good and much better than what it'd go for on EBay. A bit too expensive for me and my mortgage though. Bummer! :(
Oh, wait. My mistake Orinoco.;)
Yeah, it does seem a bit pricey for a player.
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

Oh, wait. My mistake Orinoco.;)


No worries Mate. I'll look forward to your PM after you buy that X0 ;)

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Yeah, it does seem a bit pricey for a player.


ken-oath! A bit too pricey for me too damn it :(

Back on topic: Long ago in the thread someone kicked up a fuss about leaving the matte boxes etc and said that he never saw them in the movie theatres. I absolutely do remember seeing them the first time I saw the movie in 77/78. As far as I'm concerned they are a valid part of the original movie experience, so good on you for keeping them intact.

Also, I just noticed on the 1st page that MeBeJedi listed 3 web docs. I've only seen the 2 that were listed on the X0 site. I think it had something to do with cleaning up some frame with Luke and R2 in it. Can someone send me the 3rd webdoc or repost somewhere please?

If television is chewing gum for the mind, then the prequels are the worlds first visual laxative.