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I think at this point it would actually help to have George Lucas make more changes to the films. That way, at least the color will have to be fixed and many people who fell in love with the first special edition will get upset at seeing the versions they grew up with discarded. I hope he adds even more stupid stuff to the films and alienates even more fans.
By the way what else has Lowry Digital worked on? I thought they did a great job with Cinderella (Disney) but I've seen comparisons (at dvd beaver) for the new Bond dvd's and I'm not that impressed. Even the ones that weren't foolishly cropped. It just looks like Lowry loves to add a blue tint to every film and when it has a lot of noise, just add an advanced blur to remove all grain and any sense of film texture as well.

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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
I think at this point it would actually help to have George Lucas make more changes to the films. That way, at least the color will have to be fixed and many people who fell in love with the first special edition will get upset at seeing the versions they grew up with discarded. I hope he adds even more stupid stuff to the films and alienates even more fans.
By the way what else has Lowry Digital worked on? I thought they did a great job with Cinderella (Disney) but I've seen comparisons (at dvd beaver) for the new Bond dvd's and I'm not that impressed. Even the ones that weren't foolishly cropped. It just looks like Lowry loves to add a blue tint to every film and when it has a lot of noise, just add an advanced blur to remove all grain and any sense of film texture as well.


Their first film was Citizen Kane. Their software was primitive and it was a learning experience, as they not only got the film looking pristine, it looked TOO pristine--they erased the grain, making it almost like video in some instances. They also did the Indiana Jones trilogy and the THX directors cut, both of which look fantastic, before doing Star Wars. Not sure about colouring issues--I don't believe Lowry has anything to do with the colouring, that is the job of the telecine colourist, Lowry just does the image clean-up. In the case of Star Wars the fucked up colouring definitly was a Lucasfilm thing.
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Regarding 4:3 tv's, I heard that come 2009 the US is switching to digital projection - so, if you don't have a way to connect to that, you're screwed.
http://news.com.com/Digital+TV+switch+set+for+early+2009/2100-1028_3-6004429.html I don't quite understand the whole concept, but all I know is that I'm safe for now.
Right, back on topic. I'm all for taking the petition in a new direction; what we should - nay, need - to ask for is a totally remastered OT without the color problems that plagued the OT '04 DVD. Has anyone here asked Lucas personally about the SE's? The thing is, Lucas knows that we hate it, just not why. I mean, I recall hearing he wanted to do new Flash Gordon serials (or a movie) before he did SW, but not having the rights; the analogy (right word?) I'm trying to make here, is that if someone were to ask him what he would say if the changed Flash Gordon in a SE way, I'd bet you he'd make the kind of response most of us here make to the SE's. I have not seen any flash gordon serials, movies, comics etc., but if anyone could come up with a critical moment - and ask him something like "what if so-and-so had shot first" or something, I think that might have some effect on him. But then again, maybe he'd just get angry; I don't know.

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As far as I'm concerned, the blue tint and the crushed blacks in the '04 DVDs is a non-issue since I refuse to watch the SEs- but in all honesty, I wouldn't mind if Lowry gave a similar "blue" treatment to the films again as long as they were the 77/80/83 versions (in HD). The sound issues with the '04 DVDs (like the missing force theme from the death star attack) were actually more bothersome to me than the color issues (the one time I watched them, that is).

But then, I'm not as much of a purist as some. I don't care about the "original-ORIGINAL" soundtracks- the ones they did for the DC/Faces laserdiscs (that were ported over to the '06 DVDs) are fine to me, and I don't really care about the original scroll (since I saw SW for the first time theatrically in '82 with the amended scroll already added).

I just want the non-CGI'd versions in HD now, and like I've said here many times previously, the '06 DVDs were the last video purchase I'm making from Lucasfilm LTD until they are released.

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Originally posted by: Mielr
As far as I'm concerned, the blue tint and the crushed blacks in the '04 DVDs is a non-issue since I refuse to watch the SEs- but in all honesty, I wouldn't mind if Lowry gave a similar "blue" treatment to the films again as long as they were the 77/80/83 versions (in HD).


Agree with your first point (although I find myself watching them from time to time).
Disagree with your second point, and it's unlikely that would happen this time since a restored OOT release would be made from the interpostive and not the negative that was used for the SE.
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Originally posted by: Mielr
As far as I'm concerned, the blue tint and the crushed blacks in the '04 DVDs is a non-issue since I refuse to watch the SEs- but in all honesty, I wouldn't mind if Lowry gave a similar "blue" treatment to the films again as long as they were the 77/80/83 versions (in HD). The sound issues with the '04 DVDs (like the missing force theme from the death star attack) were actually more bothersome to me than the color issues (the one time I watched them, that is).

But then, I'm not as much of a purist as some. I don't care about the "original-ORIGINAL" soundtracks- the ones they did for the DC/Faces laserdiscs (that were ported over to the '06 DVDs) are fine to me, and I don't really care about the original scroll (since I saw SW for the first time theatrically in '82 with the amended scroll already added).

I just want the non-CGI'd versions in HD now, and like I've said here many times previously, the '06 DVDs were the last video purchase I'm making from Lucasfilm LTD until they are released.


It'd be easy to include all of the necessary soundtracks and the original crawl, especially with amount of space HD would have.

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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
Isn't the simplest thing for the petition to just be "Hey, release the Original version Star Wars trilogy on Bluray"? I don't have a bluray player, but it's simple, clear, and requires a new transfer. (Bluray because it's Fox.)

Well, we did that with DVD and look at the slipshot treatment it received. Apparently you need to be nerd-specific with George Lucash.
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I agree with you on this issue. I saw each film when they originally came out, and have loved them ever since. I was excited when they were making the 1997 Special Editions, and cxherished them just as much, if not more, then the originals. Once the 2004 DVDs came out, I hated the new edition, seeing that the 1997 and 2004 versions were bastardized and molested severely. I was relieved when the 2006 Limited Editions came out, but was disappointed by the quality of the transfer. I was very furious, seeing that Lucas doesn't know the difference between a restoration and an alteration. You can't detroy how a classic was, because that's detroying history. I fully support this issue and want justice to be done.
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Originally posted by: Mike O

It'd be easy to include all of the necessary soundtracks and the original crawl, especially with amount of space HD would have.

That's fine, I understand that some fans really want the original-ORIGINAL sdtks, and the orig crawl, I'm just saying that it makes no difference to me, as long as the soundtrack isn't the screwed-up one from the '04 DVDs.

I'm hoping that GL will change his mind about releasing the OOT in the near future, when he realizes that he needs another trick to pull out of his hat. But I don't even care about getting them on DVD now- they need to be in hi-def.


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So, what do you guys think about including a request for deleted scenes/alternate takes/making of materials along with the main petition? My reasoning behind this is that these things are mostly OOP and scattered across a zillion documentaries and releases. Plus, they are all about OOT goodness.
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Trust me, the mysteriously missing deleted scenes will be released--its Lucasfilm's "ace in the hole" to get people to buy the OT for the third time.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Trust me, the mysteriously missing deleted scenes will be released--its Lucasfilm's "ace in the hole" to get people to buy the OT for the third time.


They may even delay the release further - I wouldn't be surprised if it took another ten or twenty years before they will be released together, if that ever happens.
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Forgive me if it's been posted already, but last week McCallum officially spoke up on the matter. In a nutshell, no HD until there is a clear winner in the format war.

Edit: Updated link ... I listened to the audio and didn't hear the bit about HD so I'm linking to the source at TheDigitalBits instead.
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Something profound just struck me.

Wouldn't it be better to name it fanpreservations.com rather than fanedits.com? As someone so eloquently put it in the most recent thread on the topic of the petition in the suggestions and ideas forum, fan edits are nice and all but they've now superseded the original priorities of the site. Despite my bitching that Star Wars could end up as the only buried movie out there, there are other movies on dvd and/or high def that are not available in their original form if at all. That doesn't even cover the matter of movies like Star Wars which aren't allowed to be shown on film even if a good print is available.

I'm being a little off topic so let me just say that in regards to the petition we need to say foremost that we know LFL has at least something of the OT (and we can hope it's the interpostives) because they flat out said it in the email last year. We also need to get across the fact, however subtly, that if they've only been planning to eventually remaster the movies this entire goddamn time then they'd better do it now because it's only pissing people off at this point and the '06 release was the most shameless double dip in the history of home video.

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ADM, I heard the McCallum interview from Celebration Europe and maybe it's just me and my biases but after announcing Young Indy's dvd street date there was absolutely no reaction whatsoever from the audience whereas an announcement of the restored OOT hitting dvd, even with no solid street date in place, would've gotten quite a response. I mean, there's been rumor of Young Indy hitting dvd for years now, it's not exactly a non-issue especially on forums like these, but even then it got absolutely no reaction when its street date was announced for the first time in that McCallum interview and I think that silence was the sound of the well finally running dry.
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Well, since Fox is the distributor of Star Wars and have sided with Blu Ray I'd say that issue's moot; I guess what that means is they want to see if the Fox-back Blu Ray stays around or if there's some other format that will eventually become dominant. Since there isn't any in the planning stages and since Blu Ray not only has ALREADY pretty much ended the format war but also cemented itself as the HD format of choice for consumers of the near future I have to say that Lucasfilm isn't really up to speed on the industry. But then this is a company who only released Star Wars on DVD just a few short years before HD disks were hitting the market--and only because of bootleg and fan pressure. Lucasfilm was once known as a leader of technology in the 80's and 90's but that image is so far gone by now.
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
Wouldn't it be better to name it fanpreservations.com rather than fanedits.com?
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I should have also typed it in without the s when I checked to make sure it didn't already exist.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Trust me, the mysteriously missing deleted scenes will be released--its Lucasfilm's "ace in the hole" to get people to buy the OT for the third time.

I will say it again: if a release has the OOT restored and remastered properly, I will pay any price.

Forgive me if it's been posted already, but last week McCallum officially spoke up on the matter. In a nutshell, no HD until there is a clear winner in the format war.


Not a surprise; that's what all of us expected and figured would be the policy of LFL from day one.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: zombie84
Trust me, the mysteriously missing deleted scenes will be released--its Lucasfilm's "ace in the hole" to get people to buy the OT for the third time.


I will say it again: if a release has the OOT restored and remastered properly, I will pay any price.


I wouldn't say such things on a public forum. Next thing you know, LFL is releasing it just the way we want it, but at a cost of $500.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: zombie84
Trust me, the mysteriously missing deleted scenes will be released--its Lucasfilm's "ace in the hole" to get people to buy the OT for the third time.


I will say it again: if a release has the OOT restored and remastered properly, I will pay any price.


I wouldn't say such things on a public forum. Next thing you know, LFL is releasing it just the way we want it, but at a cost of $500.


The sad thing is, I might consider it; I've always felt that, from a marketing standpoint, it would be brilliant of them to release it an a package with all of the other stuff they've been considering to ensanre me. As I said, any release at all would make me ecstatic.

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I hate to admit it but I would also consider paying $500 (not that it would ever cost that much).

I mean, I paid $300 for a laserdisc player for the sole purpose of watching the OOT on laserdisc, plus God knows how much on the LDs. My mom bought me a VCR for Christmas in 1984 that had to be at least $300 so that I could watch a $80 VHS tape of Star Wars on it. But like I said before, it would have to be the original versions on HD now.

When I think of how much money I've spent on SW over the last 25 years- geez! But most of it was spent wisely, on stuff that I could recoup my money on (if I wanted to).

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They could even throw in the prequels as "Bonus Discs."
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Just give us the original theatrical versions and the latest revisionist version on dual sided, dual layer blu-ray discs. That should seriously be all we need to write in a new petition. It would please everyone because it wouldn't be anything LFL has already released.
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I think we need a petition that appeals to all star wars fans, and not just OT fanatics. That way, we'd pry get a lot more support. Not ot say we wouldn't mention the OT, but still there are other things that could be included to get more support.

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I think asking for a list of things muddys the waters and makes the petition less effective. This site has had the most successful sw-related petition in terms of participation/signatures and ONLY asked for the OT on DVD (well, maybe they should have specified "anamorphic" although that probably wouldn't have done much good).

I think if Jay decides to start a new petition on THIS site, and simply asks for the OOT on blu-ray, that would be great and I'll gladly add my name, just like I did with the original petition. Unfortunately, I don't think that just starting a petition on one of those petition websites will have any effect whatsoever.