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Hi all,

I'm rapidly approaching the finish like on "The Clones Revealed" (so close I can taste it!), but I need some help with my planned subtitles.

Firstly, some background info: I have been editing in Womble, and will exporting this as an mpeg before constructing the DVD itself in DVD Lab Pro. I'm looking to generate similar subs to those Jambe used in Building Empire and Returining To Jedi. I've asked him what programs he used and he told me he used Final Cut Pro, but as far as I understand this is a Mac program, whilst I'm working on a PC.

So, any ideas?

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Jambe's subs are "hard encoded" or "burnt in" - that means that they are included as part of the video in the MPEG stream.

If you are working with MPEG video in Womble, you cannot add this kind of subtitle without re-encoding the whole file. (Edit: Unless Womble has the ability to add text captions to the picture? - then only the subtitled sections would need to be re-encoded.)

I'd recommend using Subtitle Workshop to create your subtitles, then importing into DVD Lab to add as "soft subs". See: http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/helppro2/subtitles.htm

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I've been using Subtitle Workshop and DVD Lab Pro for a little while now but what frustrates me is the lack of colour support and being able to locate the subtitle on-screen.

Does anyone know of anything that would let me create blue / green / yellow / white subtitles and be able to place them anywhere on screen for use with DVD, something that won't break the bank
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I know you're a windows user, but I use DVD Studio Pro on Mac. It has full color support and I can place subtitles with any font anywhere on the screen. For my Story of Star Wars DVD, I used white, blue, and yellow subtitles in different locations on the screen. Very flexible...

You can go about your business. Move along, move along.

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Originally posted by: ColinK
I've been using Subtitle Workshop and DVD Lab Pro for a little while now but what frustrates me is the lack of colour support and being able to locate the subtitle on-screen.

Does anyone know of anything that would let me create blue / green / yellow / white subtitles and be able to place them anywhere on screen for use with DVD, something that won't break the bank


The one program that i know can do this is Sony DVD architect. I use the professional bundle with Vegas 7 and its great but it is a bit pricey. There is the home software though, which is considerably less ( about $49). the features actually seem to be the same as the full bundle so this might be what you are looking for. They have a trial version online so you can try it out first to see if its what you are looking for.

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I've just downlaoded Subtitle workshop and it's crashed on me twice in a row. After opening up the video file, whatever I do next just causes it to freeze!

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

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adywan, can you tell me more about how this program works in relation to subtitles?

the subs are the only thing left to do, and i want to get them done asap

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

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okay, it's only the subtitles that are holding me up now, and I just can't seem to wrap my head around it. I can't get on with subtitle workshop, and DVD Lab Pro's own help file tells me that it's in-program subtitles aren't the best, so I need help. If anyone knows of an idiot-proof way to do this, or can walk me through it one step at a time, then I would be eternally grateful

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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ARRGGHH!!! This is killing me!!!

As it stands I'm working with a test stream of only 3 subtitles for the opening scene just to make sure it works...which it dosen't!

I'm using Divx Media Subtitler to create my stream. That's all well and good. Saved as a .srt file...fine. Open up DVD Lab Pro - double click on teh subtitle stream in the Movie 1 window and import said .srt file. Again, all fine. I can see the subs I've created. Check the 'Set this subtitle ON by default' box and hit generate subtitle stream. And there it is under the video and the audio, one subtitle stream. and finally compile DVD.....and hey presto.....so you'd think!

I've been trying this all morning, tinkering with various checks and switches, but the end result is always the same, I open the video up in Power DVD to check it and what do I find.....NO BLOODY SUBTITLES!!!!

I'm seriously approaching the end of my tether here

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

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daveytod, have you resolved your problems yet?

Unfortunately, it seems that this forum is lacking in members experienced in subtitle creation, myself included.

From what you say it sounds like DVD-lab is recognising the subtitles and authoring the disc with them, but PowerDVD is not playing them. Did you just open a VOB file with PowerDVD, or did you use the "open DVD on hard drive" option and navigate to the VIDEO_TS folder? Can you select anything under subtitles in the right-click menu during playback? Have you tried a test burn onto a rewritable DVD, and playing it on a standalone?

Alternatively, if you don't mind having hard subs (aka "burnt-in" subs) instead of soft subs, and you're willing to re-encode the entire video, then I can guide you through a process using VobSub with AVISynth or VirtualDub.

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Hi all, me again,

so far every single program I've treied hasnt suited my needs here or I just haven't been able to make it work. I've just downloaded AVISynth but it's a jibberish to me so if someone could talk me through?

I've got all my subs both as a word doc and .txt doc, do I first need to manually go through and work out the times for these? I thought Manuel Video Subtitler would do the job since you can have a preview video (again this has caused grief but I've manage to encode a very small and poor quality mpeg to use as a preview) but didn't seem to save as a recognisable file type

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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If you wanna have burnt in subtitles, just do an image file like the ones I sent you for the end credits to put on top of the video.

Have the text where you want it in the picture, and give the image an all-black background. Use the thingie in the program to remove the black and now you have a burnt in sub. You know how it works

At least I think this'd work.
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Originally posted by: daveytod
I've just downloaded AVISynth but it's a jibberish to me so if someone could talk me through?
Assuming you have installed AviSynth, there are a couple of other plugins you will also need:
VSFilter
DGMPGDec

First get the video into AviSynth. Start DGIndex from the DGMPGDec package, open your mpeg video file, and save a d2v project file.

Open Notepad, and write a script like this:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DGMPGDec\dgdecode.dll")
mpeg2source("project.d2v")

(Obviously the path in the first line depends on where you extracted the DGMPGDec package to). Save this text file with the extension avs. Now open the avs file with VirtualDubMod or AvsP and check your video is displayed.

Now, the actual subtitling step may have changed since I last used it, but the premise is that you create a text file with the extension srt (see this thread for the format). Then you amend your avs file to look like this:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DGMPGDec\dgdecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\VSFilter\vsfilter.dll")
mpeg2source("project.d2v")
TextSub("subtitles.srt")

When you are happy with your timings, just open the avs file in your MPEG encoder (TMPGEnc/CCE/whatever) and encode a new MPEG stream; the encoded file will have the subs permanently "burnt" into the video.

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Originally posted by: SweHanzon
If you wanna have burnt in subtitles, just do an image file like the ones I sent you for the end credits to put on top of the video.

Have the text where you want it in the picture, and give the image an all-black background. Use the thingie in the program to remove the black and now you have a burnt in sub. You know how it works

At least I think this'd work.


I've been trying this as it seems the most effecient way round these problems, but once dragged in the images lose a lot of their sharpness, and just don't look right. Could you let me know what program and settings you used?

FINISHED:
The Sith Revealed - A Scrapbook
Episode III The Video Game - The Movie
24: The Missing Day
Star Wars - The Interactive Board Game DVD
Battlefront - Journal of the 501st
The Clones Revealed

email me for details daveytod AT btinternet DOT com

 

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All t'was used was photoshop and the type tool in it. Making a solid text, not too fat or too thin or too complicated. Have you had any more luck?