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Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
Sorry folks.Don't get excited.It's a complete fraud.


Could you tell us how you know that?

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
Sorry folks.Don't get excited.It's a complete fraud.


Could you tell us how you know that?


Well, duh!!! Obi-Wan's cloak would be in two pieces.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
Sorry folks.Don't get excited.It's a complete fraud.


Could you tell us how you know that?


If it was being sold on ebay rather than being auctioned off by a costume shop that also has Sean Connery's dinner jacket, then I wouldn't question it being a fake. But what makes you so positive that this is a fake?

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"Well, duh!!! Obi-Wan's cloak would be in two pieces."

ROFL!

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The stitching is all wrong,there are hems and seams where there shouldn't be,the hood is not right and it is the wrong material.This was found in a HUGE rack of clothes and there has been a HUGE presumption made about it.This isn't the cloak you're looking for,move along,move along......

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You do have a point.

How does this guy know that this is the real cloak as worn by Obi-Wan?
At the end of the day, it's just a brown cloak he found in a rack of old clothes.

EDIT: Oh right, I've just clicked you link there BBDV. A collector of old props. Fair enough. "You want this, don't you?"


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VERY murky water out here in the Star Wars props and costume world.As the man himself says "We must be cautious".There is a never-ending parade of fakes and frauds that get trotted out.Big business.
This particular piece has been discussed a lot among the prop community and there is a general consensus that it cannot be screen-matched and was definitely not used in the film.

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Having Dr. Who's scarf would've been pretty cool, though.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

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- Sorry folks.Don't get excited.It's a complete fraud.

- Could you tell us how you know that?

- Well, duh!!! Obi-Wan's cloak would be in two pieces.

Brilliant.

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All of the Dr.Who items were made for promotional purposes and not used in the show.More junk essentially.

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That was the real Thunderball dinner jacket though right? Please tell me I didn't just spend 30,900 quid for a crappy knockoff!

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This has hit Slashdot, that hive of scum and villainy that parades as a news site. And one fellow has already called the story into question, relying on bigdaddyvader's expertise.

Personally, I would appreciate seeing some of the prop community discussion. Over thirty years, mightn't the article have undergone a number of alterations that would make it look different than it did on film? Or is it completely, definitely, provably not Ben's cloak? I don't have a dog in the race, but I'd like to see the arguments.
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I was not asked for permission to use my username on any site or make quotes associated with my username on any site.I really dont want quoted on any news sites.There has been a long discussion about this piece and,as I say,there is a general consensus that this piece is not legitimate.It is felt within the prop community that if a piece cannot be definitely screen-matched,which has proved problematic at the very least with this,then it should not command this type of premium nor should it be absolutely claimed to be what it is.There is a definite lack of history on this piece and too many differences to the one seen on screen for this to be genuine in my opinion.This is based not solely on my "expertise" but on the original prop communitiy's analysis which includes many very well-respected collectors who have been collecting for many years.It is felt that there are too many differences in the stitching,hemming and seams and material for this to be definitively claimed to be ben's cloak.
Please do not quote me on any news sites.

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I didn't see any reference to your person, or persona, or any quotes attributed to you on Slashdot. Nevertheless, this is a public forum. Its contents are reproduced in the Wayback Machine and Google's cache. Portions may be quoted practically anywhere in accordance with fair use. Links may be posted anywhere, for any reason. You don't really have an expectation of privacy here. If you want your words confined to a limited audience, you should use private messages, not a public web forum. Or you may wish to choose words that you are comfortable sharing with the public.
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I am perfectly comfortable with everything I have stated and having seen the site and seeing that my username is not being mentioned there directly i have no problem.This isn't a big revelation in the prop world.I dont believe Bonhams were being deliberately deceitful however they should have researched the piece more thoroughly.I do not believe this cloak to be the real one used by Guiness.Far too many differences and it can't be screen-matched to any degree that i would see fit to justify this kind of price.i have been offered many items that after some research have turned out to be fakes and whoever buys these items should do just that-research.A guy was recently sold what he was told was a prototype Darth Vader helmet for $8000.It turned out to be a remolded Don Post mask.Think first-buy later.

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Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
This particular piece has been discussed a lot among the prop community [...] Out of interest, can you provide any links to online discussions?

Here is the article from 2005 when the cloak was "rediscovered".

Apparently it was:Authenticated by Star Wars' costume designer John Mollo [...]
(On the other hand, is it reasonable to expect someone to correctly identify something they had made 30 years earlier?)

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I will have to speak to my mods on my forum before posting links as it is a private forum for members only.However I can say,and those of you who know anything about the prop business will know the name,the very highly respected team at The Propstore Of London (who I hold in very high esteem personally) were not in the least convinced by this and had opportunity to see it first-hand as did many other members of the community.As I have said I think it would be fair to say that it has been widely accepted in the prop community that there were many glaring and visible errors with the cloak.I can provide a link to a discussion on the RPF which is a public forum:
http://www.therpf.com/index.php?showtopic=126224&st=0
As with most things of this nature discussions usually take place on a more personal level but there are some very interesting points raised in the RPF thread.I will see if it is possible to post any more links.

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