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Info Wanted: anyone done a 2.0 mix synched to GOUT?

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Has anyone else done this? I just did and am currently encoding a FLAC of it, if it would be of use to you guys (and I can tell it’s a bit different from the actual GOUT mix), I could put it on BT or something? I’m estimating it to be about 700 MB, as the ALAC I sourced from was.

In two places I had to stitch in 1993 audio for a fraction of a second, as my source was the time-compressed CED. Other places, I either added blank space, or stretched the background noise by duplication, whichever was closer to what was on the 1993 mix.

The most noticeable difference: right before Han says “17,000, these people must really be desperate”, Chewie does NOT grunt in the 2.0 as he does on the GOUT. As the 2.0 is a further evolution of the 4.2 mix and nothing not in the 2.0 is likely to be in the 4.2, it’s pretty obvious that Georgie’s claims of GOUT being “unaltered” are not quite true.

If I can find a better version of the mono mix than my current restoration - and then a 4.2 or 5.1 rip of the 4.2 mix - then I’ll be set

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-rwxr-xr-x 1 andi root 653.9M Mar 6 14:48 sw20.flac

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Yes, see here:
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6570&STARTPAGE=7
... the original Dolby Stereo featured on the 35mm prints. This was a transfer of the analogue tracks of the 1985 CAV P&S set. Yes, there were alot of missing frames - including gaps as much as 1 second in length when compared to the GOUT track. Other previously documented issues included the wrong Fox logo cue, and some instances of pretty severe "wow" or sudden pitch shift. Everything has been repaired and/or filled from alternate sources, taking great care to match the EQ and level so the fixes integrate seamlessly.

All the major things have been fixed as well as alot of smaller ones. Click and pop removal was done manually and small doses of decrackling software was applied selectively where needed.

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Originally posted by: Molly
my source was the time-compressed CED.
Yikes!

Do you mean the Dolby Stereo track found on 35mm prints in 1977 and (most)(all) home video releases until '85 ?
Yes, someone else has done it already: Belbucus.
Beautifully lossless from laserdisc, and synced to GOUT
(you have to add 1.08sec or something like that when you mux with GOUT video)
See details in this thread

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Hehe, sometimes, I just can't win for losing...

All I need now's a good rip of the 4.2

-uso.

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How to recreate an approximation of the 70mm mix (my theory, don't know if this is practical or not):

1. Take the '93 mix as your base.

2. Remove all the '93 additions (listed here) by patching in the '77 Dolby Stereo mix.

3. Run the patched file through a software pro-logic decoder to obtain left, centre, right and surround channels.

4. Examine the boom track from the '97 SE mix to find any relevant low frequency effects; edit the boom track so it syncs with the base track.

5. Examine the rear channels from the '97 SE mix to find any surround effects that match up with the surround channel from step 3. Since the effects from the 5.1 mix are likely to be full frequency, they can be used to replace the frequency-limited audio extracted from the 2-channel matrix-encoded file.

6. Maybe you will need to apply some equalisation to the tracks to get a consistent balance?

7. Encode all tracks as a Dolby Digital 4.1 stream.

Like I said, this is just me theorising, but it's intersting to speculate if something like this could be done. (Also note that by all accounts, the 2004 5.1 mix is best avoided as a source).

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That's true, the 2004 5.1 mix is the worst soound mix I have ever heard in my life, sounds like it was created by randomly taken lines from randomly selected sound mix

Your method is interesting, but do you know some software pro-logic decoder ? Also on doom9.org you can find a lot of tutorials on how to make a 2.0 -> 5.1 "upmix", but that's not a "true" 5.1 mix
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I think I would use the "Graphedit" method on Doom9, but decode using DPL mode rather than DPL II. This will upmix to 4.0 channels rather than 5.1, but as you rightly point out, it won't be a "true" 4 channel mix.

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mplayer -af surround,center=4,sub=5 -ao pcm

ought to do the job...

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Hm. The best copy I have at hand of the 1993 mix is the GOUT AC3. I could try to do this hack that way...or if perhaps someone'd be willing to relay me the audio track from the TR47 DVD or something as a FLAC? (Though for some reason, the ROW47 I had lying around here somewhere has the 3PO line, so it's not the 1993 mix.) Though, my ability to generate 5.1 is limited and maybe it would be better for someone else to do that step.

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Do you even read the other threads people suggest? Belbucus's different mixes (Including 35mm dolby stereo and '93) are already available in PCM format.
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Ehm, where ? I didn't check the forum for a couple of weeks and today this shock ...
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alt.binaries.starwars & demonoid (but it's been a while so I guess it's not on usenet anymore).
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Do you even read the other threads people suggest? Belbucus's different mixes (Including 35mm dolby stereo and '93) are already available in PCM format.


IIRC, they were on YSI links or something several months ago and are no longer there.

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Thanks, that'd be most helpful. I have the 2.0 audio track, though from different source. Isoscore, that could be helpful in my other project, I misripped it before blasting ocpmovie's iso

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thx 1,295,044 (the lucasian million lol)

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Two points to note:

1. A delay of 1.017 seconds needs to be added to the start of every track to obtain sync with the GOUT video.

2. The '77 Dolby Stereo has a low dynamic range when compared to the '93 mix. Belbucus' first recording was normalised to a peak level of 0dB; this results in a high average level, and the track therefore sounds louder than the '93 mix. The second time the '77 mix was uploaded, it was at a reduced average level referenced to the GOUT audio. I don't know which one Arnie has uploaded.

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
(Also note that by all accounts, the 2004 5.1 mix is best avoided as a source).


How about the ADM mix as a base?:cool
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1997 mix cut to fit would make a great remix track...

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I'd love to get ahold of the mixes placed on demonoid, but public registrations are closed. Does anyone have an invitation they could spare? Thanks
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Thank you Arnie.d. I very much appreciate it.