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Hmm OK bud, I don't have that one. Sorry man.

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Originally posted by: Darth Mallwalker
I know of one sound effect that went missing in '93 but had been present in earlier home video releases both analog and digital.

Right before the Imperial walker blows up the main power station, it shoots down a speeder.
That speeder's out-of-control engine sound before its crash was mysteriously removed from the '93 remix.
It's heard on Digital Sound laserdiscs of the late 80's as well as analog LDs from the mid-80's.


When I think about that scene I can clearly recall the sound and I couldn't believe it wasn't in the '93 mix untill I listened to it.

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Jeezus, I just watched the GOUT the other day, and it IS missing! Never noticed that until you guys brought it up. Weird, I also remember that sound of the speeder engine winding out of control clearly.
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Could you please give us an update on the monomix, Belbucus? I can't wait to find out what you have done with it. I love the quality of the audio mixes you have given us so far.
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Progress on the mono mix work was temporarily suspended in an effort to resolve some peculiar synchronization anomalies I was experiencing. Two other members have kindly helped out in converting the GOUT video to Quicktime so I could import it into ProTools as a video reference (for more details, see here: http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=6714&highlight_key=y). I discovered while working with this file that it did not maintain absolute synch with the audio – occasionally falling behind by 7-8 frames and then catching up. Why this is happening seems to be a mystery to everyone involved.

At this point, I am going to resume with what I have – using the Quicktime file as a coarse reference only, and comparing directly to the DVD as I go. Unfortunately, this is going to slow the process up somewhat. Sorry about the delay, but at least things are back on track.
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No need to say sorry. It's so cool you're doing this for all of us.
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How could someone use the ntsc gout of star wars resize to anamorphic and add the mono mix?


Belbucus are you restoring the missing segments of the mono soundtrack, like the 20th century fox theme and the first few bars of star wars main theme as well as the damaged parts?

is there a way to get those from a stereo source say the star wars soundtrack anthology box set and convert them to mono?

Or would it be better to get it from the 35mm mix?

could you tell me how you are cleaning up and restoring the mono mix?

You said in a previous post on this forum you had two sources, what is the equipment being used and is the cleanup a digital process?

Does anyone know why Lucasfilm never released the mono soundtrack. It must be in the Lucasfilm archives. to me when listening to it it sound more finished and polished that either the 35mm or 70mm mixes, and has several subtle nuances that are severely lacking is those other mixes.

would it be possible to create a new sound mix using the best of all three mixes and why has lucas not done so. He has the master tapes for the mono mix sessions apparently so why not just re-record those elements not in the others into stereo?

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Originally posted by skijedi2005:

Belbucus are you restoring the missing segments of the mono soundtrack, like the 20th century fox theme and the first few bars of star wars main theme as well as the damaged parts?
Already done.


Originally posted by skijedi2005:

is there a way to get those from a stereo source say the star wars soundtrack anthology box set and convert them to mono? Or would it be better to get it from the 35mm mix?
Everything except portions of the opening and closing music are from the actual mono mix soundtrack – about 85-90% from the Moth3r transfer and the remainder from the Allan Mikkelsen transfer – equalized to match the former. After comparing the possible options, I pulled the open/close music from the original 1980 CD release on RSO, as it seemed to be the closest match. The later CD issues have all been remixed and/or remastered, and the various stereo film elements all have some degree of delay added (presumable to enhance the surround presentation) which sounded quite processed when folded down to mono. Again the music from the CD was equalized to match the Moth3r material. Even then it still sounded a bit too “pristine,” so it was transferred once to audiocassette and back to get the additional analogue tape compression needed to better match the Moth3r material.


Originally posted by skijedi2005:

could you tell me how you are cleaning up and restoring the mono mix?

I began with two nearly complete sources to draw from. As both of them came from PAL broadcasts, they had to be varispeeded down to match the GOUT audio. The next step was to establish which to use as the master, which ended up being the Moth3r transfer. Overall, it was much more dynamic with more solid bass response throughout. The material from Allan Mikkelsen was superior in high frequency response and signal to noise, but there was clearly some additional processing applied at the time of the original broadcast that made it less desirable. It also had a relentless background of minute clicks and pops that would need removal. It did have the advantage of being commercial free, so it was able to cover most of what was missing in the Moth3r track. I used it primarily to replace the gaps and damaged bits in the Moth3r, and for some of the quieter sections where the superior signal to noise proved to be an advantage. As far as cleanup, it was basically a process of going through the Moth3r master - manually removing occasional clicks and pops, as well as cataloging any dropouts or damaged sections that could not be remedied by basic editing, then patching those as well as the larger missing sections with the Mikkelsen track. The last step in the basic reconstruction was the inclusion of the open and close music as described above. As with the much less intensive restoring of the Dolby Stereo track, great care was taken to match the equalization, dynamics, background noise etc of the various source elements to integrate seamlessly in the final presentation. A final mastering stage will probably entail a noise reduction application to take the background hiss down a bit, and some overall EQ. And then of coarse it needs to be synched to the GOUT. One should keep in mind, that the source material for this came from the linear audio tracks of a VHS tape - likely several generations away from the original - of a television broadcast whose original audio was a transfer of a 35mm optical track. It will never sound like a one off transfer from a mag printmaster, but I think I can predict with some confidence that it will surpass anything currently available.


Originally posted by skijedi2005:

You said in a previous post on this forum you had two sources, what is the equipment being used and is the cleanup a digital process?

I am working primarily in ProTools which is a digital audio workstation.


Originally posted by skijedi2005:


Does anyone know why Lucasfilm never released the mono soundtrack. It must be in the Lucasfilm archives. to me when listening to it it sound more finished and polished that either the 35mm or 70mm mixes, and has several subtle nuances that are severely lacking is those other mixes….would it be possible to create a new sound mix using the best of all three mixes and why has lucas not done so. He has the master tapes for the mono mix sessions apparently so why not just re-record those elements not in the others into stereo?

I am of the understanding that, at this point in time, the mix elements or even stems are no longer available to them even if they did want to generate a new mix along the lines of what you describe. More to the point, it’s clear that Lucas’ interests fall far from yours and mine, which is why we are all here! (I’ve stated before that it is quite probable that a mag master of the mono mix still exists in their archives that will likely never see the light of day – which is why I am doing this in the first place.)
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Originally posted by: Belbucus
One should keep in mind, that the source material for this came from the linear audio tracks of a VHS tape - likely several generations away from the original - ...
I'm 99% certain that the tape I used was a first generation recording.

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Sorry, I stand corrected! I was under the impression that yours was not the original.
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
would it be possible to create a new sound mix using the best of all three mixes [...]
I believe this was the intention behind the '85 mix.
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That was the intention of the '93 mix (according to the liner notes of the DC laserdiscs), however, it ended up being predominantly a mix down of the 70mm 6-track.

The 85 mix is mostly based on the '77 Dolby mix.

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I keep getting confused as to which posts are which. Could somebody please repost the links to the PCM captures of the NTSC version? Thanks.
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Every version posted was NTSC.

DC48_DVD = Star Wars - 1993 DC/Faces Mix
DS48_DVD = Star Wars - 1977 35mm Dolby Stereo Mix
DS48_RL = Star Wars - 1977 35mm Dolby Stereo Mix (reference level)
ISOSCORE = Star Wars - Isolated Music Score
ESB_93 = The Empire Strikes Back - 1993 DC/Faces Mix
ROTJ_93 = Return Of The Jedi - 1993 DC/Faces Mix





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I'm still hoping some kind soul will upload Belbucus' isolated score audio. Any takers?

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A torrent you mean? Sure! Demonoid? It's up! Search for "star wars belbucus".
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Let me know which one you wanted ADM and I'll do my best to upload it for you.

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Thanks for the heads-up Arnie.D!

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Belbucus, How is it going with the mono mix?

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Any news on the mono mix restoration? Is there a different thread or something? Just curious, there haven't been any updates in something like a month.

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Been busy with work and holiday stuff, though I was able to put in some time this week. I'm about 110 minutes in with a coarse synch, with a dozen or so scenes unconfirmed until I can run it synch to the actual DVD. As I mentioned earlier, the process with which I currently find myself stuck has slowed things up considerably. I’ll have a better idea where I stand once I cut the first test DVD.
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will the mono mix restoration be uploaded to people with newsgroup access?

will the mono mix be encoded to AC3?

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
will the mono mix restoration be uploaded to people with newsgroup access?
As with the other Belbucus offerings, I'll be happy to post it to a.b.starwars
after it's finished.

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Has anyone completed a 448k DD 2.0 version (since the original PCM won't fit within the max overall DVD bit-rate limit on this DVD set) of the Definitive Collection PCM soundtracks sync'd perfectly to the GOUT Star Wars set (with removal of the Lego preview, and foreign language tracks)?

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Hi, i've just joint the forum so missed all this. Would someone be able to upload the 77 stereo and 93 THX mixes?

Belbucus did you ever get round to doing the 85 mix?