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Oh well it's a moot point now anyway as these things are out... GOUT in fact - haw haw! doh!

I wonder if anyone actually CARES about quality at Lucasfilm these days? Makes you wonder... how much effort would it have taken them to just get the best looking LD transfer (which appears to be the PAL version) and then transfer these with an anamorphic transfer?
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To go back on topic, these screenshots from PAL GOUT DVDs match those frames already avaiable from the x0-project:
http://rapidshare.de/files/33123888/x0compare.zip.html

@Zion: did you recognize the new screenshots I posted earlier? It was a zip-file. You asked for test-frame 10 and 15 again, which both were off by 1 frame. On http://aptirrelevance.com you still have the old frames online. Maybe you overread it.
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Here are all 36 comparison screen shots from the NTSC GOUT release. I used VirtualDubMod to capture the frames and saved directly to PNG format from VirtualDubMod. I took a lot of care to make sure that I got the correct frame in each case.

http://rapidshare.de/files/33161021/NTSC_GOUT_Screenshots.zip.html

Looking at these screen captures and comparing them closely to the PAL screen caps that Zion has already posted on his frame comparison page it is clear to me that the NTSC release is sharper and contains less noise than the PAL release.
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Originally posted by: Doctor M


BigBlueRig: Awesome animated Gif... is that your own work?


Unfortunately no. I wish it was...I found it on YTMND. I laughed so hard at it I felt the need to make it part of my signature here for at least a little while.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/bgiffen/bigbluerig.jpg
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NTSC screenshots are up. Thanks to THX and 88keyz for their hard work.

Originally posted by: 88keyz
Looking at these screen captures and comparing them closely to the PAL screen caps that Zion has already posted on his frame comparison page it is clear to me that the NTSC release is sharper and contains less noise than the PAL release.

I don't know, looking at them side by side, it's hard to tell a difference. Where are you looking specifically?

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Originally posted by: Zion
Originally posted by: Moth3r
This is weird. Although the GOUT version has more horizontal detail, it looks like vertical detail has been filtered.
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I think before we start throwing ideas around llike detail has been lost or they added grain, we need to compare the GOUT to the NTSC Definitive Collection LD, which all versions of the GOUT look to be sourced from. It's one thing to compare it to a PAL transfer or a pre-'93 transfer, and completely another to compare it to the version it actually came from. When I have time tonight or tomarrow I'll post screenshots of a DC capture, unless someone beats me to it. (hint )
Well we already have screenshots from TR47, Cowclops, DrGonzo, etc... sourced from the NTSC DC laserdiscs. Even they contain more vertical detail than the GOUT version (see R2D2 in Shot 36).

And it's not due to the NTSC->PAL scaling, because the NTSC GOUT version is just as bad.

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Originally posted by: Zion
I don't know, looking at them side by side, it's hard to tell a difference. Where are you looking specifically?
I have to agree, with just a very gentle unsharp mask you can restore the crispness in the PAL version, after that any difference disappears. The more I look at it, the more impressed I am at their resize algorithm.

Moth3r, that's an isolated incident. I've checked other screenshots against yours, and your one contains significantly less detail. In fact, in many respects a lot of yours looks to be converted from NTSC resolution, rather then PAL resolution... which makes me wonder if the French PAL LD's were in fact mastered entirely from PAL Master-Tapes... or if only parts were mastered at PAL resolution. The Greedo scene is the only other frame where I can honestly say yours has more detail - from the one's I've checked (which isn't all of them)... we know that's a subtitled scene. So what if France simply sourced that scene, because it was subtitled, and the final scene... since that will be subtitled too from a PAL source, and the rest - or most of the rest was from an NTSC resolution source? I know it still doesn't explain the framing or the scratches... but it doesn't appear to have an edge on vertical detail in most shots... in fact, in most shots the GOUT disc does.

BTW, here's an interesting one:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9127/goutntsc014pl9.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6383/goutpal014tu4.jpg

What happened to the horizontal scanlines in the hologram for NTSC?
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You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Perhaps someone who has the NTSC GOUT can post some clips of the movies like I did for the PAL GOUT.

I want to compare both PAL and NTSC on my friends dlp-projector.
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Just wanted to let you know that all NTSC-frames are off by one frame, so I assume this goes for the hologram-shot as well. This might explain, why the NTSC-frame doesn't show scanlines.
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Most of them are not off by one frame. I used a combination of THX' and 88keyz' screenshots on the comparison site. But I'd appreciate a list of the ones you think are off so I can check them out, and maybe THX or 88keyz can get us a new shot.

btw, it looks like the PAL GOUT is off by one in shot 36. Can someone recapture that one?

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Originally posted by: Zion
But I'd appreciate a list of the ones you think are off so I can check them out


OK, here goes (these ones are definitely off, I've checked them, switching back and forth between GOUT-PAL and GOUT-NTSC):

4, 5, 6, 11, 14, 16, 22, 23, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36

And I'm not 100% sure about these ones:
7, 8, 28



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Checked 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16, 22, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36 on Zion's site and they are all off by one frame.

But none of these are my caps - which are the correct frames.
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Originally posted by: Zion
Most of them are not off by one frame. I used a combination of THX' and 88keyz' screenshots on the comparison site. But I'd appreciate a list of the ones you think are off so I can check them out, and maybe THX or 88keyz can get us a new shot.

btw, it looks like the PAL GOUT is off by one in shot 36. Can someone recapture that one?
Hey Zion, how about I do the PAL SE sceencaps for you? Would you like those?
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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I've started putting ROTJ screencaps here (NTSC):

http://kidsquid.com/files/starwars/rotj/

For those curious, I use Ubuntu Linux, here is my capturing method:
1) mplayer dvd://3 -vo x11 -alang en -chapter 1 -framedrop -noaspect
2) pause and frame advance as desired
3) capture window, crop, and save as PNG with The Gimp

I ran out of time this morning, but I'll do more later.

Enjoy!
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thanks


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Originally posted by: Zion
I don't know, looking at them side by side, it's hard to tell a difference. Where are you looking specifically?


I took a second look and at first I randomly checked shots and thought that maybe my eyes were playing tricks on my when I was doing the captures but upon going through them shot by shot here are the shots where the NTSC version shows superior PQ to the PAL version. Now this is likely only visible on still shots and in a video sequence would likely never show up but non the less the NTSC screen captures do show better contrast levels, blacks and noise/grain levels compared to the PAL shots. Here are some specific areas where I could see the difference.

- Flesh tones in the face in shot 4.
- Leia's flesh tones in shot 7.
- Black level of uniform in shot 10.
- Blacks around the eyes in shot 12.
- Blues on the two droids in shot 13.
- The hologram, no other single screenshot from any release shows the scanlines that the PAL shot shows in shot 14.
- Noisy blacks on Vader in shot 18.
- Noisy blacks in the space between Tarkin and Vader in shot 23.
- Overall black and detail level as well as noise level around the lightsaber in shot 24.
- Black levels on the droid and noise on middle of 3 wall pilars on left hand side of shot 25.
- Noisy blacks in upper left of shot 27.
- Noise level on Chewie's left bicep (dark fur area) in shot 32.
- Noisy blacks in shot 33.
- Noisy blacks in shot 35.

I stand by my statement that the NTSC provides better PQ when compared to the PAL release screenshots.


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I didn't get to updating the screenshots last night as I started working on a new feature for the site. I want to thank you guys for making lists though. They helped a lot as I went through all the shots last night.

(On a separate note, my site's taken quite a leap in bandwidth the last few days. I usually average about 430MB per day, but since the DVDs were released I've gotten about 5GB per day including 9GB on Wednesday. Some kind person out there actually sent me some PayPal cash because he liked the site so much. I don't know if he reads this forum, but I just wanted to say his generosity is greatly appreciated. Thanks again buddy.)

Originally posted by: boris
Hey Zion, how about I do the PAL SE sceencaps for you? Would you like those?

That would be great, as long as you use VDubMod of course and go off the current SE screencaps and not the GOUT ones. Thanks.

And I probably should have pointed this out before, but anyone doing screen captures should use the frame reference page as well.

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@Zion:

Are there actually any plans for doing a comparison page for Empire and Jedi as well?
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Captured more images. Added thumbnails and wikified the page, use this new URL:

http://kidsquid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=rotj

A couple interesting ones:

#33: It's raining on the Death Star! I remember hearing that they cleaned this up for the 1997 SE's. It also appears on the Faces LD, but I didn't realize what I was seeing because of the lower quality image.

#39: My favorite ship and nickname
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On screen cap #31, what's going on on the right side of the screen? Are the troopers and personel drowning? Or being engulfed in something? Weird.

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calamari are all the stars blue in Rotj on the GOUT DVD?