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This place has become a constant flame war. If all you want to do is flame people, then do it at TF.N and not here.


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And can you please stop hot-linking to images on outnow.ch.
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Well Im still getting them, because Lucas still shot himself in the foot, somehow. And this is probably the only standard DVD release of the OOT. There may be an HD version-when the next format comes out in 2020, and it will still be letterboxed.
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I just can't get this out of my head: there has got to be some logical reason why these aren't going to be anamorphic (other than "Lucas trying to screw the fans over"). No matter how bad you wanted to prove a point, I doubt you would risk your company's reputation...right?!?!?!?!? Maybe it's a more tedious prcess than we think. But then why not make an announcement that it is coming out, build the hype, take the time and then release it when ready?!?

I was thinking this is all for the Christmas rush, but 9/12 is a little too early. Then I was thinking this is a way to get rid of the SE leftovers because last year's second release of them barely made a blip on the radar, but...I dunno, that seems like a stretch too. So what can the reason be?!?

Wouldn't it be funny if they came out and they were anamorphic after all LOL

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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: vbangle
Really? I mean, really? .....I guess some of us look deeper at the details than others...

Really?....perhaps some of just choose to actually watch the film instead of constantly bitching about those details.

Nah, I get vbangle's point. The starfield doesn't look that great. But guess what? - - starfields have NEVER looked good on any home release. Not in Star Wars, not in Close Encounters, not in 2001 or in any other film. They look fantastic on the big screen, in 70mm projection ... but are washed out, faded, with maybe 40% of the stars showing on your TV. That's just life outside of the movie theater.

Maybe when everything is reissued in HD, it will be different.

But I'm not holding my breath.


And, yeah, I'm watching the movie and not nitpicking the details of pixels and how many stars are in the upper, right quadrant.




btw, I was one of the people who was not pleased when they removed the film grain from Star Wars. It was never a pristine-looking movie, and anything a smidge better than the laserdiscs will be just fine by me.


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The shots look sort of alright, and it's nice to see the movies looking a little more natural, without all that whore makeup from 2004. Thing is, on a hi-def TV these discs will look worse than the laserdiscs looked on a regular TV. So, as your TV gets better, your original trilogy gets worse. It's built-in obsolescence.
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Built-in obsolescence? I guess so. The way I look at it, they're already two generations obsolete. (And some people on HomeTheaterForum think they're worse than that; that the DVNR makes the THX edition worse than the original LD master.) Already dead -- some people just can't smell it yet.

Zombie Star Wars.
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I don't care how grainy the movie looks. I grew up with the Laserdisks, and if these are even a fraction better quality than that, I'll be happy. I mean, good lord these movies were made 30 years ago. Of course we are going to notice the black boxes around the ships, and have 2.0 sound. It's how it was made.

I've pre-ordered them and I'm not looking back.
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I'm a bit pissed off that the German site has copies when Fox UK wouldn't give us (DVDActive) any. The R1 releases are being bought for me, and I should have them early if the retailer's track record is anything to go by, but I'd have liked the chance to do a very early review. One thing I will say about the caps is that they look better than I expected, but resizing screen caps generally hides a lot of imperfections that would otherwise be visible. I'll reserve judgement until I see a full size cap or get the discs myself.
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Originally posted by: Mentasm
I'm a bit pissed off that the German site has copies when Fox UK wouldn't give us (DVDActive) any. The R1 releases are being bought for me, and I should have them early if the retailer's track record is anything to go by, but I'd have liked the chance to do a very early review. One thing I will say about the caps is that they look better than I expected, but resizing screen caps generally hides a lot of imperfections that would otherwise be visible. I'll reserve judgement until I see a full size cap or get the discs myself.


By the way, Outnow.ch is a site from Switzerland, not Germany. Though the discs will of course be the same here.
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Hey, at least the colors look right, the saturation and brightness levels are normal, and it actually looks like a normal film before it's candy-coated.

This isn't the right forum, but it's an appropriate question: Does anyone know a good way to convert MPEG from letterbox to anamorphic via cropping, without loosing quality? Give me that info and I'll have a De-SE DVD fan edit ready by September 13th!

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Just out of curiosity- has anyone ever done any pre-THX (WS) LD screenshot vs THX (WS) LD screenshot comparisons?

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you know what would be even more funny and ridiculous is if the menus were anamorphic and the films are not. with lucas the sky is the limit when is comes to insanity and ridiculousness.

He can spend money for a 3-D jar jar for 2007 phantom menace in 3-d, but not one penny for the oot to be in anamorphic. What in the world???

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Originally posted by: vbangle
This looks good to you? OMG....that's really strange...
Actually, I knew no matter how shitty the offical OOT looked you were going to say that....thanks for not letting me down..... You deliberately posted the most blurry pic. So? Yes they look good, they've been downsized and saved as JPEGS... as other have said I'm sure the quality of the DVD will be a little better then what you seen in the screen caps. They look much better then the LD's already. Someone I know has the SW LD's and a movie projector at his home (an excellent one, I think it's his 3rd now) - and I do think they look better then the LD's. I've said it so many times that it's getting really really old - but so many DVD's were mastered from the old master tapes used for LD's that I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like they're promising more then they're delivering - and the quality will be good. Again, I'm glad they didn't grind it through the process the 2004 version went through that resulted in a picture that is good quality yes, but does not look like the star wars film.
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I think this one looks good. Especially the moon.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7576/03rn2.jpg That was my favourate cap too. It looks outstanding.
Originally posted by: vbangle
Really? I mean, really? You didn't notice the lack of stars on the left side of the SD? Or how about the salt and pepper noise that is most apparant
on the planet? I guess some of us look deeper at the details than others... It's called film grain, and there's nothing wrong with it! The lack of stars is normal for home video.Originally posted by: Laserschwert
Actually they should've scaled it to 768x576, since that is actual native PAL-res, but after all the footage was upscaled from NTSC, so that scaling it down again doesn't really make it any worse.
There's already been a discussion about this - it does not appear the PAL master was resized from NTSC. And if it was, well I can live with that. Personally I prefer not to watch NTSC versions if I can avoid them. Even if it was resized from NTSC the playback will be notably smoother on an interlaced display - which is how I have to watch them at my home at least.Originally posted by: vbangle
Kind of silly then for someone to comment on how "good" they look....
No it isn't. The ghosting and dot crawl is gone - and it looks clear and sharp (from what can be made out of the detail the JPEGS provide).

I'm very happy with those screenshots the quality is on par with my expectations.Originally posted by: half full
I joined this stie because I want the originals as they were made. I assumed that was what everyone else here wanted as well. Now that we are getting them on DVD all I am hearing is "not good enough". To all of you that are bitching please please please shut the fuck up.
Touché.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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And, as I thought, they screwed up.... The OOT release of the German Version should be the 1978 "KRIEG DER STERNE" textcrawl! Now we most probably get "STAR WARS" with a German textcrawl, which is nowhere but "original"....
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Originally posted by: Laserschwert

By the way, Outnow.ch is a site from Switzerland, not Germany. Though the discs will of course be the same here.


Ah right, sorry. Didn't really look that closely at the URL or menus. Dunno why I thought it was German...
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Originally posted by: Mentasm
Originally posted by: Laserschwert

By the way, Outnow.ch is a site from Switzerland, not Germany. Though the discs will of course be the same here.


Ah right, sorry. Didn't really look that closely at the URL or menus. Dunno why I thought it was German...


Well, it is German, but it is not from Germany.

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Originally posted by: borisI've said it so many times that it's getting really really old - but so many DVD's were mastered from the old master tapes used for LD's that I don't see what the problem is here. It's not like they're promising more then they're delivering - and the quality will be good. Again, I'm glad they didn't grind it through the process the 2004 version went through that resulted in a picture that is good quality yes, but does not look like the star wars film.


The funny things is: on every average movie, people would justly dismiss inferior quality and simply not buy the DVD. There would be no discussion. But in the Star Wars universe, you have a whole horde of people who constantly try to downplay this ridiculous treatment. They look ugly and nowhere close to DVD quality, nothing what fan preservations already hadn´t done, which is just plain embarassing, Period. If you like that, and are willing to spend money for it, that´s fine.

By the way, the way the 2004 SE looks is closest to what the negatives look like (except the boosting of the colours).
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Originally posted by: Vigo
By the way, the way the 2004 SE looks is closest to what the negatives look like (except the boosting of the colours).
No they do not.

And the funny thing is on any other DVD release people wouldn't even be aware that they used the same master tapes as were used for LD releases.
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: Vigo
And, as I thought, they screwed up.... The OOT release of the German Version should be the 1978 "KRIEG DER STERNE" textcrawl! Now we most probably get "STAR WARS" with a German textcrawl, which is nowhere but "original"....

I sincerely hope that the crawls WILL be the German ones... and not digitally redone, but used from the old masters (though I don't know if there are any german "master" existing). Nevertheless, it will be hard to convince me buying these... or I'll wait until they're on the bargain table, since I don't believe this "only available until 12/31"-crap.

Originally posted by: Mentasm
Ah right, sorry. Didn't really look that closely at the URL or menus. Dunno why I thought it was German...

Yeah, both Switzerland and Germany are German speaking countries... and we don't get separate DVD-releases because of this. The URL would've been the only "clue", because of the .CH domain, but only to people who mind
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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: Vigo
By the way, the way the 2004 SE looks is closest to what the negatives look like (except the boosting of the colours). No they do not.


Of course they do. Those movies were in perfect shape when freshly unloaded from the camera... The only tinkering done to it was ridiculously boosting up the colours and of course the SE changes.


And the funny thing is on any other DVD release people wouldn't even be aware that they used the same master tapes as were used for LD releases.


Such unaware people exist everywhere, you are right. But only in the Star Wars fanbase, they get vocal and try to explain the low quality problems away, citing idiotic phrases as "They look great!", "This is the way how these movies looked back then!", "...but they HAVE the right aspect ratio!!!", "as long as they look better than my old VHS, I´m gonna buy them!!!!". Only here, you have people who actually FIGHT FOR low quality.

And, another aspect for the lack of awareness is that LD transfers are not an issue anymore, unless you prefer to buy from very small labels, releasing splatter/zombie/porn flicks.

And you can bet your @ss that this "awareness" will suddenly increase once the first reviews will come out and customers bought those "Bonus Discs".
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Well said.

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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Now I'm depressed.

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Has there been any word from LFL on how these transfers are being done?
(something technical which suggests or says what type of equipment or software which is being used?)
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I understand these DVDs were farmed out to another company, so you'd have to ask whoever did the work. A company called 'New Wave' did the menus, but I don't know if they also authored the DVDs.