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Info: Original Trilogy in HD screening this November!!

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http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060818a.php

Thought I’d share the news here. I can imagine the talented people here would love to get an HD capture of the OT:SE for re-editing (read: removing all the SE crap, saber fixes, etc.) into the ULTIMATE edition of the Original Trilogy that we’re probably never going to see from LucasFilm.

Damn I wish I had some skills to do this. My 20" widescreen monitor is begging to display this!

 

Mod Edit: a working link to the above article can be found here:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20070909155519/http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060818a.php

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What would be the point if these are the same as the 2004 DVDs?
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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
What would be the point if these are the same as the 2004 DVDs?


Um, because this is the first time the OT will be put out into the public in HD quality.

The fan edits try to use the best source material in order to get non-SE versions to the fans. So far the 2004 DVDs have been the best source material of the OT to work with. I can only imagine an HD version of the 2004 DVDs would make new fan-made projects amazing to view on an HD projector or capable computer monitor.
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But what good would that be if your final project is in DVD format? You have to compress it anyway.
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Originally posted by: Davis
But what good would that be if your final project is in DVD format? You have to compress it anyway.


Why does the final project have to be on a DVD?

If someone has the ability to capture the HD broadcast as HD in their computer, then they can keep it at HD quality and just release the data file uncompressed. So people with home theater PCs, or just a PC with high enough resolution support, can enjoy the OT in HD quality that way.
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Also, the films were filmed on traditional film stock, and the film is still dated so it want be true HD. It will just be upscaled and upconverted.

P.S. HD or not, the SE's still look like crapt. The colors will still be overly saturated, the blacks will be crushed, there will be way to much blue in the picture, and Vader's lightsaber will still be pink.


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Originally posted by: Duke of Crydee
Originally posted by: Davis
But what good would that be if your final project is in DVD format? You have to compress it anyway.


Why does the final project have to be on a DVD?

If someone has the ability to capture the HD broadcast as HD in their computer, then they can keep it at HD quality and just release the data file uncompressed. So people with home theater PCs, or just a PC with high enough resolution support, can enjoy the OT in HD quality that way.


OK, but now we're talking about a VERY limited audience. It's a lot easier to send out DVD-R's than hard drives.

Also, we don't have the OOT in HD, so all this is pretty useless unless you like SE's. It's not like you can reinstate the missing footage.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Also, the films were filmed on traditional film stock, and the film is still dated so it [won't] be true HD. It will just be upscaled and upconverted.

Film has more resolution than HD. The original camera neg will have several times the resolution of HD, in fact.

Ironically, it is the PT that will suffer from "upscaling and upconversion" should HD ever extend beyond 1080p. The OT was probably scanned at 2K or 4K, so it'll be able to match whatever digital display technology used between now and when most of us are old men and women.

It's a lot easier to send out DVD-R's than hard drives.


I'll bet there will be an HD release in Xvid that fits on a single DVD-R, and that looks pretty amazing. I'll be waiting to see what the X0 Project ends up doing with HD raw materials...
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My bad I didn't know that the film was scaled that high. Personally I don't care what kind of problems the PT has. However, it is a shame that the PT was filmed digitally, because it will take a whole lot longer for it rot to nothingness. Dang, wouldn't that be a blessing.


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Originally posted by: Karyudo

I'll bet there will be an HD release in Xvid that fits on a single DVD-R, and that looks pretty amazing. I'll be waiting to see what the X0 Project ends up doing with HD raw materials...


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But even if the Xvid is bigger than a DVD-R, that's why we have torrents.

Hopefully the X0 Project has access to the Cinemax HD stuff. *crosses fingers*

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Originally posted by: Master Skywalker
Hmm, these HD airings could be very interesting. Even when you need to compress this for a DVD the result will look better when working with the actually 2004 DVD.

MS


Thanks to Darth Editous for pointing out my brain fart in the unedited post that was here. Duhhhh.
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Cinemax are getting the SEs in 1080i. From the article:
The bad news? The channel will run the same special-edition versions that were released on DVD in 2004.

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Cinemax are getting the SEs in 1080i. From the article:
The bad news? The channel will run the same special-edition versions that were released on DVD in 2004.

DE


And this post was removed because I completely misunderstood DE's response. Man I need a nap.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
My bad I didn't know that the film was scaled that high. Personally I don't care what kind of problems the PT has. However, it is a shame that the PT was filmed digitally, because it will take a whole lot longer for it rot to nothingness.


Not necessarily:

"Lucas an advocate for digital projection and wants to phase out motion picture film. I hope he has preserved the film elements because digital is not archival. It's a very unstable format and it's easy to erase or degrade digital data.
Since there's no 'hard copy' like film, there's no way to restore missing computer information. It just vanishes." Richard W. Haines

full article

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"Since there's no 'hard copy' like film, there's no way to restore missing computer information. It just vanishes." Richard W. Haines


If only there was some way of copying digital data, a "back-up", if you will, that could be used in the case of a disaster...

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Your average DVD player with DivX compatibility will not output in HD (and probably wouldn't be powerful enough to play such files.) However, if you have a hi-def display with VGA or DVI inputs, then just hook up your PC. (One day, when I get a suitable display, I'm going to enjoy Citizen's Blade Runner XviD this way).

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Your average DVD player with DivX compatibility will not output in HD (and probably wouldn't be powerful enough to play such files.) However, if you have a hi-def display with VGA or DVI inputs, then just hook up your PC. (One day, when I get a suitable display, I'm going to enjoy Citizen's Blade Runner XviD this way).



Or it would work with people who have HD capability w/ a widescreen LCD monitor on their PC, but w/ no HDTV, like me.
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
"Since there's no 'hard copy' like film, there's no way to restore missing computer information. It just vanishes." Richard W. Haines


If only there was some way of copying digital data, a "back-up", if you will, that could be used in the case of a disaster...

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All well and good....unless the 'back-up' fails. And the 'back-up' of the 'back-up'......

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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Darth Editous
"Since there's no 'hard copy' like film, there's no way to restore missing computer information. It just vanishes." Richard W. Haines


If only there was some way of copying digital data, a "back-up", if you will, that could be used in the case of a disaster...

DE
All well and good....unless the 'back-up' fails. And the 'back-up' of the 'back-up'......





"It has been estimated that NASA has created more than 1.2 million magnetic tapes since the agency's creation in 1958; many of these contain information of great potential value to astronomers. Yet much of the information gathered has been so poorly labeled and stored that it is all but-or even entirely-inaccessible. The problem are familiar: code books describing how to use the tapes have been lost, tapes have been physically , and the hardware necessary to read older tapes no longer functions."


If this is already happening to tapes from an agency started only 50 years ago... I don't have a lot of faith in digital backups as a long term solution.

(http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/abbey/an/an15/an15-4/an15-402.html)

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It's not an entirely analogous situation - for one thing, things have really moved on in terms of storage since those days. The ubiquity of today's DVDs, CDs, hard drives and iPods mean it's going to take a lot longer for all details of their workings to be lost in the mists of time - and in this specific case, the digital masters of blockbusters like Star Wars aren't going to lie dormant gathering dust in a basement for 50 years. Even barring George's own oxymoronic brand of perfectionism, they'll be seeing constant use (and constant copying to the latest medium) for decades, if not centuries, to come. If NASA's tapes had had the same kind of use, I'm sure they would have been transferred from tape to disc to hard disc to DVD-ROM over the years.

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It's not analoguos at all. If NASA really wanted what was on those tapes, they could get it. There are companies in existence today that can read all tapes of backup tapes, even dating back 20 or 30 years. If they really wanted to spend the money, they could contract it out to a company to have all the media cataloged and labeled properly. And besides all that, I'm sure they've got most of the information on servers spread throughout the agency. No one I know makes backups and then deletes the original data (except maybe LFL )
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I'll bet similar articles exist talking about the shoddy, near-disastrous archiving of film material even of films lots of people care about. Hell, the OT is a case in point: less than 20 years after being created, it had to be completely reworked in order to make it presentable again.

What would make sure any digital archive material is never, ever lost or destroyed is to release it into the public domain...
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Scoff and bark all you want at the HD broadcast and the need or want to put it on disc media - putting it on a disc is a waste of time, the dvd's will have higher bitrate than anything you convert yourself. However, there are MANY (not a "limited audience") people out there that own HDTV's and will not only watch these, but capture or download from the hdtv binary groups, and watch them again and again - from their hard drive, like you're supposed to with HDTV .ts files. Like me
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