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"Would I be correct to assume that if the audio wasn't upmixed to 5.1 for the AC3 track that home theaters would decode the DD track as 2.0 (left and right only), whereas a stereo PCM track would be passed to the ProLogic decoder and be played as 4.0 (3/1.0)?"

That is correct. The reasons I created this 5.1 track were 1) to see if I could do it , and 2) my receiver doesn't have Pro-Logic II, so I figured I'd recreate the ProLogic decoding in software, and then save it as an AC3, which my receiver could decode (plus it makes the file smaller as well.) I, and many others, were pleased with the result.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Yikes, that's something no-one ever seems to mention in the whole debate. I'm going to have to favor the 5.1 upmix in my future projects. Ty.

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Would I be correct to assume that if the audio wasn't upmixed to 5.1 for the AC3 track that home theaters would decode the DD track as 2.0 (left and right only), whereas a stereo PCM track would be passed to the ProLogic decoder and be played as 4.0 (3/1.0)?

That is correct. The reasons I created this 5.1 track were 1) to see if I could do it , and 2) my receiver doesn't have Pro-Logic II, so I figured I'd recreate the ProLogic decoding in software, and then save it as an AC3, which my receiver could decode (plus it makes the file smaller as well.) I, and many others, were pleased with the result.


I thought how the amp decodes the incoming stereo signal (DD 2.0, PCM, analogue) depends on the amp itself, my Yamaha A/V receiver can take a 2.0 signal (analogue or digital) and output it through Pro-Logic, Pro-Logic II or any number of the DSP effects.
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***Citizen's NTSC DVD/PAL DVD/XviD Info and Feedback Thread***
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Yes different amps will have different set ups. My system with PCM or analogue input will let you use pro-logic, or one of the upmix modes, but if you feed it AC-3 2.0, then that is what you get - and you can't override it! So to get surround sound from Dr Gonzo's disc for example, I have to use the analogue input!

The AC-3 audio on my DVD is correctly flagged as 2.0 Surround, so on my amp, the pro-logic mode is activated automatically.

I've always felt uncomfortable about creating a "fake" 5.1 mix from a matrixed 2-channel source; Dolby advise against it (but only because of potential problems with the downmix stage in DVD players for those using the analogue output). I suppose it comes down to a DanielB thing (go back and look at some old posts if you don't know who he is) of leaving the audio as original as possible.

I wonder if DanielB prefers the mono soundtrack to The Terminator like I do?

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"I thought how the amp decodes the incoming stereo signal (DD 2.0, PCM, analogue) depends on the amp itself, my Yamaha A/V receiver can take a 2.0 signal (analogue or digital) and output it through Pro-Logic, Pro-Logic II or any number of the DSP effects."

You are correct, and as I said, my AMP *doesn't* have Pro-Logic II steering. It *does* have AC3 decoding.

"I've always felt uncomfortable about creating a "fake" 5.1 mix from a matrixed 2-channel source"

But it's simply the Pro-Logic II equivalent, stored in 5.1.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I didn't want to create a new thread, but is there someone who lives in or near California who can copy a PAL VHS tape of mine to NTSC?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I didn't want to create a new thread, but is there someone who lives in or near California who can copy a PAL VHS tape of mine to NTSC?


- NTSC copy on VHS or DVD?

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Actually, either would be fine.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hi. I am new to OT.com forums and have decided to attempt to start my own O-OT restoration from laserdiscs.

This may seem like a strange way to do this, but I am doing it for money reasons. My (untested) way for capturing LD's to my PC is to run the analoge audio and video outs from my LD player to my miniDV camera. I would record the LD's onto the miniDV tapes. Then I would transfer the tapes losslessly to my PC.

My questions are:

1) Is the DV compression significant enough to matter for restoration and DVD-authoring purposes?

2) Am I losing significant quality by using the analoge out from my LD player? I am using the digital tracks on the LD, but using the analog outs.

Basically, is it worth it or should I buy a capture card with optical digital in?

BTW, my LD player DOES have optical out. (It's a Sony MDP-455.)
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Not too sure why you've posted in MBJ's feedback thread, but here are some quick answers nonetheless:

You can get good results with DV. Not state-of-the-art, but OK. DV might have been state-of-the-art for these projects about three or four years ago. Most people have moved on to various other lossless codecs since.

If you've got digital out, use it. Analog is harder to cap, can be noisy, might drift out of sync, and isn't as good quality.

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Sorry if I was unclear, but I AM using the digital tracks, but my LD player is using its D/A converter and feeding them to me using red and white RCA jacks.

On topic: Nice work, MBJ! I look foreword to the finished product!
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Originally posted by: MasterYoda510
Sorry if I was unclear, but I AM using the digital tracks, but my LD player is using its D/A converter and feeding them to me using red and white RCA jacks.

On topic: Nice work, MBJ! I look foreword to the finished product!


Sometimes that is the best method because of dot crawl which shows up in more in the reds. The connectors are composite and so is the LD source. When I used S-Video, I had a bunch of dot crawl in the picture (little dots in the reds). A lot of people noticed the same thing on their projects. If possible, I would try out S-Video as well to see which one works best for you.

Patrick
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Originally posted by: MasterYoda510
Sorry if I was unclear, but I AM using the digital tracks, but my LD player is using its D/A converter and feeding them to me using red and white RCA jacks.


No, I understood that. What I meant was, what you're getting at the RCA jacks ain't digital; it's analog. I'm sayin' you'd be quite a bit better off keeping everything digital, right on into your computer.

Patrick R. is right about video, but I don't know how that's relevant to this particular discussion.

And NONE of this really belongs in MBJ's thread. Sorry, M!

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MeBeJedi,
I have been scanning posts/pics for hours now and from what I've read it seems like your're still working on your project.

Wanted to say that I think the color on the screenshots from your transfer looks the best of any. I also applaud your use of completely digital transfer for the audio...the only acceptable way for me, given that it's possible...I'm kind of surprised everyone isn't going this route but "to each his own".

Anyway, since you have the potential for creating one of the best (if not the best) set yet, I was wondering what you thought about including the original stereo soundtrack from one of the earlier laserdisc sets as an alternate audio source? Since you have the potential to transfer the audio digitally, this would make an outstanding release. The only thing to top it would be including the mono soundtrack as a 3rd source.

Of course, this is all dependant on having access to the alternate soundtracks, but just thought I'd mention before you complete your release in case you're interested and willing.
Regardless, I wish you the best of luck on what will be a fantastic transfer I'm sure no matter what you choose.

One last thing...I have an old tv (not 6:9) so should you decide to release a version that's not anamorphic I'd love to see it. Right now I'm opting for tr47's v.1 set because it just looks better to me.
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Actually, my transfer is in hiatus, since I've gotten hold of a far better capture. You should look in The X0 Project thread for more info. Also since that time, I've gotten hold of much better color correction software and hardware, so you ain't seen nothin' yet!

That being said, I still have my original digital audio capture, and I've received other soundtracks and sound bytes ("Close the blast doors", etc.) from folks such as Neil S. Bulk. I found out awhile ago that one of the LDs I have has C3PO's line about the tractor beam as well.

Several different types of releases are being discussed, but right now the focus is on cleaning up the already top-notch X0 capture. We are currently working on a few things to give people an idea of what we are doing and how we are doing it.

(BTW, at one point, one of my early transfers was available as a torrent. I don't know if it's still over there, but maybe someone here downloaded it and can make it available.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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that's great
...I've been checking different pics and saying to myself "zion's got some damn nice images too"...

well I'll be following X0 with much interest...now if I can just get a set to tie me over I may survive. I have 0 SW DVD's right now : (

keep up the good work as usual!
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Actually, my transfer is in hiatus, since I've gotten hold of a far better capture. You should look in The X0 Project thread for more info. Also since that time, I've gotten hold of much better color correction software and hardware, so you ain't seen nothin' yet!


Im new....so this is probably NOT where I should be posting this but...

I see that the XO project thread is locked and has been locked for quite some time. Where are we supposed to discuss this

project and maybe get an update here and there? Is the project dead or dying? I guess I don't understand locking the thread if the project is still ongoing...

Anybody?

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What are you talking about? The X0 thread is most definitely not locked.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Sometimes, people still want to get in touch with me about something, and that is great! If that describes you, please email me at [my username]ATgmailDOTcom.

Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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Ah, thank you...yeah I now know what I did....I ASSUMED that that link was the same as the sticky XO thread that of course was locked.

It's cool. I knew that I was opening myself wide open for someones venom....no big deal though. It is a privilage to be here and to benifit from

everybody's hard work...including the XO project team hard work as well...

What the people here have done to preserve these precious sci-fi classics is awesome....too bad Lucas doesn't share the same passion to restore the original Originals

like you guys do.

Anyway thank for pointing out my mistake.

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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I will fix the sticky (and it's X0, not XO).

Does anyone know how Laserman is?

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