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That’s an excellent poster, Ash. Do you have a higher res version? Might make a nice basis for a cover…
Does anyone else have unusual ‘official’ poster images at high resolution? Thinking along the lines of these:

http://www.alienscollection.com/warriorvideo.jpg
http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_1905_1.jpg
http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_1904_1.jpg
http://www.moviemaze.de/filme/0813/poster_lg02.jpg

(though I think I’ve seen that last one as a custom cover already…)


I thought other menu/cover people might be interested in the results of my research into the ‘Mother readout’ font, so loved by the official DVD authors!
I’ve essentially concluded that the actual typeface was purpose-designed for the film, and has never been made commonly available to anyone outside the studio.

Searching for an alternative, the closest I’ve come up with – and it’s damn close - is Dispatch but it’s quite expensive. Anyone got this in their collection already?

By the way, the makers of Alien Evolution just used Courier… if you underscore it and put it in the green-on-black colour scheme, it does the trick well enough!
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Originally posted by: Jonno
That’s an excellent poster, Ash. Do you have a higher res version? Might make a nice basis for a cover…
Does anyone else have unusual ‘official’ poster images at high resolution? Thinking along the lines of these:

http://www.alienscollection.com/warriorvideo.jpg
http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_1905_1.jpg
http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_1904_1.jpg
http://www.moviemaze.de/filme/0813/poster_lg02.jpg



I have the poster in high res, don't worry. I also have this poster: http://www.cinemarts.com/itemimages/item_1904_1.jpg

I am waiting to see the dvd you made with meedermow before working on covers.
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Evening folks.

After much gnashing of teeth the final disc has just rolled off the burner !

Very pleased with it, tried to incorporate lots of advice from all of your initial looks at some of the front-end and I'm now pleased to say my work is done !

NFO created, I've included a few mini curios in the DVD_ROM folder.

The final size is:

Evolution - 4.20GB (just the same as Jonno's original disc, not a frame touched)
Menu, Intro and Credits roll - 12MB
NFO and Curios - 14.8MB
TOTAL SIZE: 4.23GB

So I've got a fair amount of size to put a nice cover in the ROM folder and then I'm done (ideally in a nice uncompressed TIF style !).

Ash has his own prototype in the works, I've sent him some back text. Klokwerk, do you want to try your hand at one ? Knowing that's your area of expertise, I don't think a choice would be detrimental to anyone. Only if you've got the time, of course.

So we're nearly there. I've got CBS Aliens already encoded and lopped of adverts as necessary, so if people think that should be #2 there could be a very imminent companion disc and the preservations shall have truly begun !
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to Jonno:
Wrong. Never use Fonts.com, since the results there do not display fonts not available from them. Try the main database: Identifont.com. The font in question is called Square Slabserif 711 TTF, it is from Bitstream family and it exists in three main versions (light, medium and bold). However this info does not help either since it is not a free font too. I worked for a design company last year and I have a small archive of Bitstream fonts in my computer, but unfortunately there is an empty space between TT0384 and TT0420 (the three are TT0410-412). But if somebody have it already......

to Meedermow:
I do not think that the Aliens CBS cut belongs to the mix. It is not a documentary and its picture quality is below our standards. I think that this should be a stand-alone disc "on request".

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Originally posted by: triffid

to Meedermow:
I do not think that the Aliens CBS cut belongs to the mix. It is not a documentary and its picture quality is below our standards. I think that this should be a stand-alone disc "on request".



I agree, It should not.

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UPDATE!

First off, a huge thank-you to TB1971 for his VERY generous contribution to this project – the breadth and quality of his collection is quite staggering, and his input has really raised this compilation to another level.

Now, here’s a summary of the materials in hand, in film by film order. This is not an attempt at a final list – for one thing, I have followed triffid’s earlier guidelines in terms of what should/should not be included, so for now such items as the short making-ofs from the Legacy set aren’t here, but could easily be added if there is sufficient interest.
The second point is that this list is, of course, wide open for further additions, or for superior versions to be substituted when found (I am well aware that better copies of certain elements are already in the pipeline).

Ok, here’s the story so far. All elements are PAL format unless otherwise noted.


Alien Evolution

ALIEN:

Giger's Alien (Ebay DVD - NTSC)
Shock & Awe - The Return of Alien (TB1971 – a huge improvement on the archives version)
Excerpt from Ridley Scott documentary - Eye of the Storm (Jonno)
Alien DC featurette (ASH595 - NTSC)
Alien DC trailer x2 (ASH595 - NTSC - and TB1971)
Alien DC TV spots x6 (TB1971)
Alien DC Yaphet Kotto interview (TB1971)

ALIENS:

Aliens: James Cameron - A Director and His Work (Alien Archives)
Aliens TV spots x2 (from TB1971) and x6 (en route from fezza2000)
Saturday Night Live: Alienses (TB1971)

ALIEN 3:

Making of Alien 3 UK (Alien Archives)
Entertainment Tonight - Alien 3 visual effects (TB1971)
Entertainment Tonight - Alien 3 Charles S Dutton interview (TB1971)
MTV Alien 3 preview (TB1971)
MTV Alien 3 visual effects (TB1971)

ALIEN RESURRECTION:

Alien Resurrection - Behind the Scenes (Ron Perlman) (TB1971)
Making of Alien Resurrection (Brad Dourif) (TB1971)
Alien Resurrection TV spots x3 (TB1971)
Entertainment Tonight - Alien Resurrection LA Premiere (TB1971)
Entertainment Tonight - Alien Resurrection Weaver/Ryder interview (TB1971)

GENERAL:

Alien War (TB1971)
Aliens - Ride at the Speed of Fright (TB1971)
Quadrilogy Trailer (Jonno)


TB1971 has also provided some short pieces from Croatian TV (HRT). These are essentially very good edits of existing material, focusing on such elements as deleted scenes and other behind-the-scenes stuff.
What’s the general feeling on this sort of thing? I’d like to include them if there’s space, even though they don’t offer anything that’s exactly ‘new’. I think I better pass them on to someone else for a second opinion…

Ok, feel free to comment on things I’ve missed or just got completely wrong! I’m very hopeful that 8t88’s Giger’s Alien will be of a high standard – for one thing, it will mean we have a uniform PAL set.

Between this list and the DVD intro/menus I’ve seen from meedermow, I think this project is going to result in something very special indeed…
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Originally posted by: triffid
http://web.quick.cz/Triffid/workprint/vzorek_mother.jpg
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(Sorry, couldn't resist...)

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Jonno:
Seeing everything listed there... I dunno. It's just a great feeling that we've come so far with the amount of material we have.
I need to ask though, which (if any) of the Cinefex articles are included on the Quadrilogy set? I believe that either Alien or Aliens featured theirs on their special LD set, and hence it should have been ported over to the Quadrilogy special features. The reason I ask is because we should include the Cinefex articles in our discs. Here's a list:

ALIEN (1979):
Cinefex #1 - March 1980: "Creating an Alien Ambience" Article by Don Shay (38 pages)
Cinefex #6 - October 1981: "Computer Imaging - An Apple for the Dreamsmiths" Article by Peter Sorensen (25 pages)

ALIENS (1986):
Cinefex #27 - August 1986: "Aliens" Article by Don Shay (64 pages)

ALIEN 3 (1992):
Cinefex #50 - May 1992: "Alien 3: Zealots and Xenomorphs" Article by Bill Norton (26 pages)
Cinefex #73 - March 1998: "Boss Film Studios: End of an Era" Article by Mark Cotta Vaz (4 pages)

ALIEN RESURRECTION (1997):
Cinefex #73 - March 1998: "Cloning Aliens" Article by Bill Norton (20 pages)

Cinefex #1, #6 and #27 are out-of-print. We will need to track them down on ebay. You can still purchase Cinefex #50 and Cinefex #73 online from the Cinefex website. However, those issues might also pop up on ebay for a cheaper price. I want to collect all the Cinefex magazines, but I don't have the money to pursue that hobby any time soon. I have 2 or 3 issues in storage. I am not sure which ones they are, but I know they are none of the above issues.

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Alien: The Special Effects collects the three main articles for the first three films, and I can't imagine the Alien Resurrection issue is all that rare.

But while these articles are good to read on paper, I'm not sure how well they would work on screen - were they really included on the laserdiscs? I thought they were just used as reference in the old supplements (they're cited in the bibliography), but I'm only basing this assumption on having looked at the Quadrilogy version.
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I have the Cover Art and Insert for the Legacy Bonus Disc. These did not come with the disc. I had to download them from some website (don't think it was an official site). I can Post it here if it is OK.
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How about the Heavy Metal Illustrated version of Alien. That even features deleted scenes.
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Originally posted by: suntech
I have the Cover Art and Insert for the Legacy Bonus Disc. These did not come with the disc. I had to download them from some website (don't think it was an official site). I can Post it here if it is OK.
Do not post them there because they are really big, I do not want to download the covers each time I open this page. These are originals, made for US Legacy DVD box by Sharpline Arts, but later discarded and used only for the Legacy VHS box (and the cardboard envelope of the bonus DVD). I am actually using this cover for its original purpose for years - if you own the US Legacy, this fifth disc fits with the other four perfectly.

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I should off said I would post the link to them here with a thumbnail preview.
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I am sorry, I took your words too literally. For example 88t8's Giger VHS cover is so cool, but my dial-up connection does not like it as it is 2+ MB file.
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with the help of meedermow, this is one dvd cover for Alien Appendix #1. Still need some work on it, of course.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9885/alienevolutionweb1co.jpg
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Good work on that cover!

Meerdermow or Triffid, do any of you guys already got my version of Giger's Alien?

Cheers,

Marco

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Looking great Ash595

Not yet 8t88 - I'll let you know as soon as I do !

As already mentioned, the disc is completed - some fine-tuning has been done since last week under some supervision and constructive scrutiny from the usual suspects ! I'll just wait til Ash is happy with the cover for the DVD_ROM folder and then the release will be ready to go. I'll send it to all necessary parties here first, then I'll create a new Official Release Thread for others to show interest if necessary.

Here's the text I supplied to Ash for the back of the cover:

ALIEN APPENDIX 01

A PRESERVATION OF THE 2001 DOCUMENTARY "ALIEN EVOLUTION", A ROBUST APPRAISAL OF THE ALIEN QUARTET PRODUCED BY NOBLES GATE AND PRESENTED BY MARK KERMODE. AN ABRIDGED VERSION APPEARED ON DISC 9 OF THE "ALIEN QUADRILOGY" BOX-SET.

THIS IS THE FULL, UNCUT BROADCAST EDITION AND THE FIRST RELEASE IN THE CONTINUING "ALIEN APPENDIX" SERIES: A COLLECTION DEDICATED TO THE ARCHIVING OF RARE MATERIAL FROM THE ALIEN SERIES AT THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE LEVEL OF QUALITY.

Cheers,

MM
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to Ash595:
This time you hit the bull's eye. Much better than the first one. I especially like the combined fonts from all movies, it is a brilliant idea. Only the "I" looks strange. Can you simply cut the original blue "I" from Aliens logo? Next comment is just for consideration: Since we are talking about at least 4 discs, don't you think that preparing of four covers is not necessary? I mean I will surely keep the discs in 2-DVD boxes to save space. What do you think, people? Should be the covers designed this way or not? Also, either two or four covers, they must be linked to each other by some central motive. And this will be very hard to achieve once this one is approved. Why? Because the front artwork is painted and thus (I feel it this way) the others must use painted artwork too, no photos. In case of two 2-DVD covers, the second design can simply contain this picture again converted from black to dark blue or something like that.

to 88t8:
Nothing yet. Next delivery is on Monday, we will see.

to Suntech:
I watched the CBS Aliens today simultaneously with the full director's cut. Really interesting. The 4:3 picture shows much more above and below the WS screen (approx 5% in each direction). Also, there is no way to estimate the real running time. Cameron added several elements known from the 1991 DC cut (all the main pieces except for the shots from the colony before the disaster: the park, the robotic sentry guns, their testing, both attacks, people children discussion) and omitted all the short additions (except for Dwayne x Ellen exchange). However the movie is heavily censored by CBS for the TV broadcasting and the length really drops down due to this fact. All shits, asses and fucks are cut out, either as single words or whole lines. Sometimes it sounds ridiculous. For example Hudson's "Out of this chicken shit" is cut down to "Out of -it". Nice experience anyway.

to Meedermow:
Don't you want to try to incorporate the Mother font into the menus? The text: I do not like the word Appendix, but you people must know better than me if it is appropriate - it is your language. Second, why Preservation? Does this term apply to the process that Jonno did with this documentary? I thought that Preservation means more than just copying a video from some source to DVD-R. Third, as I already wrote on the previous page, none of the two versions is Abridged in any way. The Quadrilogy version is even a bit longer. Similarly, the words Uncut and Full are misleading. We do not even know which one is older. Maybe they prepared the Quadrilogy version first and then they changed the conception to Kermode's version, who knows? Any Full version must combine both of them with a TRT around 85 mins.

Now don't kill me, people. I am just opening a discussion, OK?

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Well I found something that might be of interest. It was a short promo "Video Press Pak" For Aliens. Interveiws with Sigourney Weaver, Stan Winston, James Cameron and Gale Ann Hurd. I recorded it off SelecTv an early Pay Tv Network. Quality is ok as we are talking early VHS but it is a bit better quality than the CBS Tape I had. Let me know if you want to look at it for the project..
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Can you describe some details, please, to help me indentify it? What is the first picture/sentence you see/hear at the beginning and what is the last one? Does it fade into black with white letters 'video press pak' below?

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Hey triffid,

To address some of your thoughts/concerns:

I especially like the combined fonts from all movies, it is a brilliant idea.

That's good to hear. The combined fonts are the basis of all of the menus on the disc and were a collaborative effort between THX and myself.

Only the "I" looks strange. ...
Don't you want to try to incorporate the Mother font into the menus?

I tried the Mother font (or a cannibalised version of it til you informed us of what the true font is) initially as a starting point, but it just proved prohibtive and didn't have the right feel - the existing font is an amalgam of the "A" from ALIEN, "L" from ALIENS etc. so the "I" is taken from the Alien3 teaser poster logo and its much stronger when seen in the correct context.

I do not like the word Appendix, but you people must know better than me if it is appropriate - it is your language


"Appendix" just feels totally right for me - to take its Webster's dictionary definition: "A collection of supplementary material, usually at the end of a book" - well albeit this is at the end of a series of films, it's the correct (and unique) word to use.

Second, why Preservation? Does this term apply to the process that Jonno did with this documentary? I thought that Preservation means more than just copying a video from some source to DVD-R.


Indeed the word does mean more than just copying a video from some source to a DVD-R, it means protecting and maintaining safe - without the kind of movements demonstrated on this board such documentaries would simply disappear from public consumption, ergo this is certainly a preservation project. Just the same as any of the Star Wars DVD's that emminate from this board are referred to as preservation projects. I don't see any difference.

Third, as I already wrote on the previous page, none of the two versions is Abridged in any way. The Quadrilogy version is even a bit longer. Similarly, the words Uncut and Full are misleading. We do not even know which one is older. Maybe they prepared the Quadrilogy version first and then they changed the conception to Kermode's version, who knows? Any Full version must combine both of them with a TRT around 85 mins.


Respectfully, I very much doubt the Quadrilogy was even in it's inception in late 2000/early 2001 when this documentary would have been conceived, produced, written and shot. Nobles Gate are a UK independent production company that created, amongst other similar film-based documentaries, "On the Edge of Blade Runner". The latter was obviously not designed to form some future supplement on a DVD, it was created to be shown on Channel 4/Film 4 as a precursor to screening (in the case of Blade Runner) that film itself, or for the Alien Series - one film per week following the "Evolution" documentary.

This documentary version obviously came first and is a stand-alone item. I view the Quadrilogy version as a bowdlerized version of this original documentary: it's a modification, an amendment. So therefore in terms of the Nobles Gate documentary, produced in 2001 and presented by Mark Kermode - this is the full, uncut version that I watched on UK television before I even heard the word "Quadrilogy". I'll certainly agree that there was more footage shot at the time, that was then implemented into the Quadrilogy version. However that's the not the same uncut, full version (covering Aliens, Alien3, Resurrection) that was shown in 2001.

As you can probably gather I thought quite carefully about every word that went into the description, and I hope you'll see a similar care and attention in the final product, I know were not going to agree on all aspects of the process, but in terms of menus, descriptions etc., bear in mind triffid you did say:

I am definitely against any touches into this our first disc, i.e. adding any other footage or menus. It is great exactly as it is now.


You've got that version direct from Jonno, so you've kinda self-admittedly stepped out of the process on this presentational side. That doesn't mean anyone discourages your opinion, obviously you are more than welcome to comment on the content and lay-out - this team is democratic and adult, and I'm more than aware that you are just as passionate about what is to come: but you've made it clear that presentation is not your first priority (I'm surmising that quality of main content material is your #1 aim). I'm sure you wouldn't have liked it if the Quadrilogy came in 9 plastic CD sleeves with no way to navigate through the material presented

On which subject - I'm all for having one disc/one cover per release. To have each of the babyhum releases for instance in their own unique case rather than being pushed together in 2 DVD packs etc. is far better. The continuity can obviously come from the spines of the sleeves themselves, which I think will work well in their plain, classy starkness that Ash595 has presented us with.

Anyway why don't we use painting/conceptual art for all of the front covers ? We're dealing with a project that one of the greatest living artists in the world has worked on - I don't think we'll run out of sources we can use ! All back covers can be used for stills etc.

There we go, my 2 cents - No killing involved, don't take any of the above personally triffid, it's all meant entirely respectfully, I like it when we all get passionate about this project and roll on disc 2 !
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Just to put in my 2p (while we still have p... maybe this isn't the best place to discuss common european currency, though )

1 - That cover is fantastic, and absolutely representative of our project, i.e. a new contribution to a subject we thought we already knew everything about!
I think its purity might be diluted if more covers are made, since they will likely have to resort to more familiar images (I'm not doubting your graphic design skills, Ash, it's just that there probably aren't that many more like that one). Still, I'm happy to turn it into a cover for a multi-disc case myself if I still feel that way when I've seen the others - I'm prepared to be surprised!

2 - Meedermow's re-authored my disc with a menu, without compromising the quality of the feature presentation - I don't see how this can be a bad thing! Aside from ease of chapter selection, it will also have the benefit of tying disc one to the others (which will absolutely demand menus) in terms of presentation.

3 - The text tells it the way it is, and though 'preservation' is perhaps a strange term (easily confused with 'restoration', perhaps?), it does seem to be accepted terminology for what we're doing.
'Uncut' might not be the best way to describe the original version of Evolution, since we all know the reality is a little more complex than that. But it is certainly the earlier production, and you can be quite certain that the modifications made for the Quadrilogy version were ONLY made in order to 'paper over' the removal of the more controversial material.

4 - I will defend 'Appendix' to a bloody death
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It's nice to see the Alien project flourish in all aspects, including cover design which is far better then most of official releases. I found the word "appendix" quite interesting to use for the project - it's rarely used and adds a sort of seriousness to the whole thing.

Regarding DVD boxes... I recently discoverd fantastic DVD boxes. They look exactly the same as regular single DVD case, but can actually fit FOUR DVDs inside without any problem whatsoever (1 at each side and 2 at middle tab)! Wonderfull design, considering others on the market which double the size of box just to hold 2 DVDs. This for sure would solve the cover artwork problem and of course the storage space (not to mention space for total of 4 appendix discs with everything Alien we could lay our hands on in just one box)

Does "Video Press Pak" For Aliens contain the same footage as official Alien saga release?
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Originally posted by: triffid
Can you describe some details, please, to help me indentify it? What is the first picture/sentence you see/hear at the beginning and what is the last one? Does it fade into black with white letters 'video press pak' below?

Not sure if this is the exact beginning. It starts out with scenes from Aliens and a voice says "For over fifty years the sole survivor of the ill fated freighter the Nostromo drifted in space". The last thing is Ripley holding Newt and saying "Close your eyes baby" Then Red Lines come down over the scene like a venitian blind turning into a red box. The picture shrinks into a blue background then stops shrinking and holds while music from the movie plays on . The red graphic starts to peel up from the lower right corner then the words VIDEO PRESS PAK appear in large letters at the bottom. The picture fades to black.