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R2 and 3PO are real. They are visible when Indy and Sallah are lifting the Ark in the Well of the Souls, right in the middle of the screen, but slightly out of focus. Photos of the hieroglyphs have been in several publications over the years. If you know what to look for, you'll find them.

The source for the 5.1 tracks on the DVDs was the 6 track mixes done at the time of each films release. The re-mix was done by Paramount and not Lucasfilm.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
R2 and 3PO are real. They are visible when Indy and Sallah are lifting the Ark in the Well of the Souls, right in the middle of the screen, but slightly out of focus. Photos of the hieroglyphs have been in several publications over the years. If you know what to look for, you'll find them.

The source for the 5.1 tracks on the DVDs was the 6 track mixes done at the time of each films release. The re-mix was done by Paramount and not Lucasfilm.

Neil


I have umpteen photos of the droids, I was just lightening the mood.
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
R2 and 3PO are real.
The source for the 5.1 tracks on the DVDs was the 6 track mixes done at the time of each films release. The re-mix was done by Paramount and not Lucasfilm.

Neil


Agreed. Although I've never seen 3po and r2, i know they're there.

But at least Paramount didn't kill John Williams score. That's ANOTHER problem we would run into with Star Wars and not Indy.
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There is one small diference on the Raiders DVD though. You know how on the VHS agter the credits the Arc OF the Covonent makes a burn mark on the box its in. On the DVD that scene was cut out. Thats the only difference.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
There is one small diference on the Raiders DVD though. You know how on the VHS agter the credits the Arc OF the Covonent makes a burn mark on the box its in. On the DVD that scene was cut out. Thats the only difference.


I give up...you're not being serious, are you?
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I was lucky enough to see Raiders on the big screen last year. It was a scratchy print, (presumably an old one) and nothing jumped out at me as being different from the LD and VHS versions I have.
There was an audible "ugh!" from the audience when that fly goes into Belloq's mouth and never returns! It was hard to make that out on video in the old days!
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I didn't know the new 5.1 was taken from the 70mm/6-track - thanks, Neil. One thing that sounded very different to me (compared to memory, so...) was the part in Temple of Doom just after Indy has picked up the Sankara stones from the giant skull and before he goes into the mines - there are loud screams coming from the mines, which I don't remember from the theatrical version. Also, didn't that snake used to turn around???
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Originally posted by: THX
I didn't know the new 5.1 was taken from the 70mm/6-track - thanks, Neil. One thing that sounded very different to me (compared to memory, so...) was the part in Temple of Doom just after Indy has picked up the Sankara stones from the giant skull and before he goes into the mines - there are loud screams coming from the mines, which I don't remember from the theatrical version. Also, didn't that snake used to turn around???


Yup...screams were always there. I had the original VHS (used to watch it once a day when i finally got it) and wore that shit out

Nope, the snake never turned around. He was just always startled by it when he came up after getting the stones.
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thanks for the info, df
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Originally posted by: THX
thanks for the info, df


What might have confused you was that on the original P&S (if memory serves), there was a quick pan from right to left to see why Indy was startled. You might have taken that as a "turn" because the scan was so awkward.
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So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?
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I would think that the laserdisc 2-channel audio would be exactly the same as the Dolby mix on the theatrical 35mm prints. The 5.1 mix on the DVDs, although remixed from the 70mm 6-track mix, will still be slightly different (i.e. only one sub channel instead of 2, and stereo surrounds instead of mono).

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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?



No. Didn't you complain that it wasn't the right sound mix?

My god. I think we're testing how anal people can be with this.
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
I would think that the laserdisc 2-channel audio would be exactly the same as the Dolby mix on the theatrical 35mm prints. The 5.1 mix on the DVDs, although remixed from the 70mm 6-track mix, will still be slightly different (i.e. only one sub channel instead of 2, and stereo surrounds instead of mono).

The 70mm prints of Temple of Doom had mono surrounds and Raiders probably did, too (though I can't confirm either way). Last Crusade had split surrounds though.

Way to much attention is being focused on Indiana Jones. Those are DVDs that the studio got right. Somehow these films (and the 1982 version of ET) slipped through the cracks and didn't get mangled on DVD the way Jaws, Star Wars and Superman were.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: Moth3r
I would think that the laserdisc 2-channel audio would be exactly the same as the Dolby mix on the theatrical 35mm prints.
Way to much attention is being focused on Indiana Jones. Those are DVDs that the studio got right. Somehow these films (and the 1982 version of ET) slipped through the cracks and didn't get mangled on DVD the way Jaws, Star Wars and Superman were.


Agreed. Though Jaws was fixed with the 30th anniversary though.

Superman could be easily fixed with some editing.

Star Wars is another story.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?

That depends whether you mean the 35mm theatrical run or the 70mm theatrical run. If the former, then I suppose you'd want the LD all the way; if the latter, you could do what you said, but as everyone is implying, the official DVD is pretty great as is.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

Agreed. Though Jaws was fixed with the 30th anniversary though.

Superman could be easily fixed with some editing.

Star Wars is another story.

I have a lossless file of the digital audio from the Superman LD already to go! Any takers? Or should just wait for the November official release?

And yes, Jaws was fixed. So was Vertigo for that matter.

Star Wars is best forgotten.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Snip

Sorry.

Okay, let's get back to basics here. This is something I've been wanting since I was a kid.

Does anyone have copies of the original Indiana Jones Kenner toy commercials? Remember the one for the 12" Indy where the kid throws him into a pit of worms?
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?



No. Didn't you complain that it wasn't the right sound mix?

My god. I think we're testing how anal people can be with this.


Aw, c'mon. Why'd you have to say a thing like that?

Look, this all started over the here statement that 'Raiders' wasn't changed (for lack of a better word) from it's original theatrical exhibition.

I put forth the suggestion that digitally-removing elements of the film which existed from the original print up to the DVD was, in fact, changing it, despite the fact that they were changes which did not alter the content of the film. I stand by that.

Why don't you and Neil just tell me to fuck off already...



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I didn't mean to insult you with the "anal" comment. I guess that if, since we're using Star Wars as an example, they had just cleaned some stuff up in SW, would anyone really be complaining? That's all they did with Indy. But because there were severe changes to all 3 of the OT, here we are. However, if they got the same treatment Indy got, I don't think any of us would be complaining. See what I'm saying?
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Oh! My bad - see, I love the way that that Indy turned out on DVD. Don't get me wrong about that!

Do I own a Boba Fett jet pack because I love Star Wars? Hell no.

Do I own a Wested Indiana Jones jacket because I love Indy? Hell yes!

Maybe I let my passion for Indy take over, but hopefully it's all good, man.

Anyway, I snipped my bitching out of my post and updated regarding Indy toy commericals. You know of any leads?
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Just imagine if the SW DVD set was as good as the Indy one...
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This site would be a ghost town.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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[AWK] How can you say that? What about the Holiday Special? [/AWK]
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Originally posted by: THX
Just imagine if the SW DVD set was as good as the Indy one...


*drools* no crazy color correcting, just better clarity. But for me the ultiamte OOT boxset i would have the jumping lightsabers fixed, no matte lines, and re-rotoscoped lightsabers
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
There is one small diference on the Raiders DVD though. You know how on the VHS agter the credits the Arc OF the Covonent makes a burn mark on the box its in. On the DVD that scene was cut out. Thats the only difference.


I give up...you're not being serious, are you?


From what i understand thats true. I'll have to go out and buy them and check compared to the VHS i watched