The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released) — Page 64

I actually noticed that the Holdo line was imperfect - in my ElevenLabs settings I’d accidentally set the “voice similarity” setting to only 70% (it defaults to this), when I normally have it at 100%. So I’ve generated a few more options that sound way more like Laura Dern. Should be similarly flawless to my Luke clip.

I’ll probably also make a line replacement of the following:

“When I came to, the temple was burning. He’d vanished with a handful of my students, and slaughtered the rest.”

This line is often criticized for the fact that it seems to set up some sort of dark Jedi that joined Kylo (i.e. the Knights of Ren) but of course nothing comes of this so the comics had to come up with a random explanation like Luke’s students wanting to bring Ben to justice instead of just looking for Luke’s body in the rubble to try and save him lmao.

So here’s my revision:

“When I came to, the temple was burning. Ben had vanished, and what remained of my students was lost in the flames.”

What I especially like about this idea is that Kylo doesn’t necessarily become a school shooter just because his uncle tried to seemingly kill him. All Luke should know is that the bodies of his students were burned up extra crispy like Owen and Beru - it’s up to the viewers to decide whether Kylo had killed them first.

Ideally, this would be paired with a nod to the comics in Kylo’s retelling of events to Rey later on where we see that exterior shot of the hut again and see a flash of lightning from the sky light the temple on fire. So Kylo would claim that he didn’t start the fire. But that begs the obvious question - how is it that Jedi Knights wouldn’t sense the danger they’re in and escape the fire? And that kind of thinking would be intentional!

I really like the Rashomon story structure idea but it seems like Rian didn’t utilize it to its full advantage. This way it’s up to the viewer who they want to believe - did Kylo start the fire in Luke’s temple or no? Did he personally kill Luke’s students first or no? Was he completely innocent in this situation or no?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’ll probably also make a line replacement of the following:

“When I came to, the temple was burning. He’d vanished with a handful of my students, and slaughtered the rest.”

This line is often criticized for the fact that it seems to set up some sort of dark Jedi that joined Kylo (i.e. the Knights of Ren) but of course nothing comes of this so the comics had to come up with a random explanation like Luke’s students wanting to bring Ben to justice instead of just looking for Luke’s body in the rubble to try and save him lmao.

So here’s my revision:

“When I came to, the temple was burning. Ben had vanished, and what remained of my students was lost in the flames.”

What I especially like about this idea is that Kylo doesn’t necessarily become a school shooter just because his uncle tried to seemingly kill him. All Luke should know is that the bodies of his students were burned up extra crispy like Owen and Beru - it’s up to the viewers to decide whether Kylo had killed them first.

Ideally, this would be paired with a nod to the comics in Kylo’s retelling of events to Rey later on where we see that exterior shot of the hut again and see a flash of lightning from the sky light the temple on fire. So Kylo would claim that he didn’t start the fire. But that begs the obvious question - how is it that Jedi Knights wouldn’t sense the danger they’re in and escape the fire? And that kind of thinking would be intentional!

I really like the Rashomon story structure idea but it seems like Rian didn’t utilize it to its full advantage. This way it’s up to the viewer who they want to believe - did Kylo start the fire in Luke’s temple or no? Did he personally kill Luke’s students first or no? Was he completely innocent in this situation or no?

I really like this idea! I mean just in the next scene we actually see the bodies of some of Luke’s students around the temple. I’m also with you on dropping the whole “he took some of my students” thing.

Were they supposed to become the Knights of Ren? Did Snoke or Kylo kill them all as some kind of “only the strongest survive” training? We never really get a conclusive answer, and if anything, it just raises more questions.

Going with the version you’re suggesting makes everything much clearer for the viewer. The takeaway becomes, “Okay, Kylo turned, Luke was knocked out, the students (maybe?) tried to stop him, they obviously lost, and Kylo disappeared. Case closed.” It keeps the focus on the tragedy without introducing another mystery the story never really pays off.

Not gonna lie, I straight up thought those were rocks! LOL. Thanks for pointing that out. So the line should probably be more like:

“Ben had vanished, and the rest of my students lay dead in the ruins.”

Reddit showed me a fun fact about this - apparently the trailer version of this shot doesn’t have the dead bodies. But since it’s a trailer it’s obviously not the full shot, so I can’t really just rip it from there and transplant it into the movie. It could serve as a useful tool if somebody wanted to make that change consistent with the rest of the available footage, but that’s about it. If that change could be made, we could go back to the other line I had.

But even then, Kylo has a line that acknowledges he destroyed Luke’s temple in this movie: “Did he tell you what happened? The night I destroyed his temple. Did he tell you why?” The writer of the comic tries to claim that Ben summoned the storm himself unintentionally, but… eh. So I think it’s more effort than it’s worth, personally. You’re right that the line replacement on its own is enough, as fun as the Rashomon stuff can be.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Not gonna lie, I straight up thought those were rocks! LOL. Thanks for pointing that out. So the line should probably be more like:

“Ben had vanished, and the rest of my students lay dead in the ruins.”

Reddit showed me a fun fact about this - apparently the trailer version of this shot doesn’t have the dead bodies. But since it’s a trailer it’s obviously not the full shot, so I can’t really just rip it from there and transplant it into the movie. It could serve as a useful tool if somebody wanted to make that change consistent with the rest of the available footage, but that’s about it. If that change could be made, we could go back to the other line I had.

But even then, Kylo has a line that acknowledges he destroyed Luke’s temple in this movie: “Did he tell you what happened? The night I destroyed his temple. Did he tell you why?” The writer of the comic tries to claim that Ben summoned the storm himself unintentionally, but… eh. So I think it’s more effort than it’s worth, personally. You’re right that the line replacement on its own is enough, as fun as the Rashomon stuff can be.

In regards to the comic, I don’t think we really need to pay it that much mind, honestly. Sure, if you’re a hardcore lore diver, you’re probably going to read it, but for the average viewer—and the average viewing experience as a whole—they’re going to infer that Ben burned the temple down, and that’s really all they need to know.

I know there’s a wider canon aspect to the franchise, sure, but I’m looking at it more from the perspective of, “Could you show this to someone for their first-time viewing and have it work as a replacement without leaving them with too many questions?” And I think using that line as a replacement is a great example of that.

It keeps the focus on what happened that night at the temple: two sides of the story, Ben and Luke. You no longer have that lingering question of everything else surrounding it, and the scene can just stand on its own.

Okie-dokie, I’m back with the perfected version of the Holdo line:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ki019mLQaXy3i3w_BG0NiLiXZAr-x9Tg/view?usp=sharing

I’m going to start working on the first Luke flashback line next. As always, everything should be in this folder for everyone:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1A9eKubUkqy9FI2sG42IeFIolT5lApEI4?usp=sharing

This is a very good choice! 👍

And here’s the aforementioned final piece:

Video Clip
Link to Resources Folder

The lines probably need some slight work on them done in order to fully blend in, but I can also try other generations if the delivery isn’t quite right.

Dang, these are really good improvements. It’s impressive how creative and talented people are still finding new ways to take the framework we were given in these films and build them up to such an unprecedented degree. I really hope to see these line changes added to this edit.