STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 149

BedeHistory731 said:

I find it funny how the compositing error survived the 2004/11 SE and 2012/19 SE, given how much attention was paid to recompositing shots in ROTJ.

There are only a handful of space shots recomposited for any RotJ SE. I’ll spare the whole list, but overall they seem pleased with most of the VFX in RotJ.

adywan said:

Quick update:

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Annual pay-rise and bonus coming up next month. I’ll be sure to contribute once again. 😃

Considering 3P0 mentions Chewie not coming back as they’re on the way to the palace, would it be feasible to cut the scene of Leia arriving in disguise and handing over Chewie? Just cut straight to her sneaking in to free Han, getting captured, and we first see Chewie as Han arrives in the cell. Makes the plan less convoluted.

When he said he never came back from “this awful place” he was probably referring to Tatooine.

G&G-Fan said:

When he said he never came back from “this awful place” he was probably referring to Tatooine.

Yup, you’re right. He says “Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place.”
Because Lando and chewie immediately left for tatooine at the end of empire.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Considering 3P0 mentions Chewie not coming back as they’re on the way to the palace, would it be feasible to cut the scene of Leia arriving in disguise and handing over Chewie? Just cut straight to her sneaking in to free Han, getting captured, and we first see Chewie as Han arrives in the cell. Makes the plan less convoluted.

I’ve been liking this idea since reading Mac’s big list of ideas actually. Somebody on Facebook came up with a suggestion to begin the film with Slave One arriving on Tattooine delivering Han to Jabba, but I guess we got a decent reveal of Han in Carbonite when the Droids delivered Luke’s message (can it be improved upon? :p)…

FVDnz said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Considering 3P0 mentions Chewie not coming back as they’re on the way to the palace, would it be feasible to cut the scene of Leia arriving in disguise and handing over Chewie? Just cut straight to her sneaking in to free Han, getting captured, and we first see Chewie as Han arrives in the cell. Makes the plan less convoluted.

I’ve been liking this idea since reading Mac’s big list of ideas actually. Somebody on Facebook came up with a suggestion to begin the film with Slave One arriving on Tattooine delivering Han to Jabba, but I guess we got a decent reveal of Han in Carbonite when the Droids delivered Luke’s message (can it be improved upon? :p)…

No one has ever wondered “How did Han get to Jabba’s Palace???” when Han is revealed on the wall. Such an addition would be bad.

Also that’d imply it took a whole year for Boba to deliver. Which is hilariously ridiculous.

That guy with no name said:

G&G-Fan said:

When he said he never came back from “this awful place” he was probably referring to Tatooine.

Yup, you’re right. He says “Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place.”
Because Lando and chewie immediately left for tatooine at the end of empire.

You both are right but I think it’s also fair to say it’s open to interpretation. If one believes 3PO meant Jabba’s palace for “awful place”, that is equally just as valid. So both ways do work, imo. It just depends on how you personally interpret it and your point of view 😉

nightstalkerpoet said:

Considering 3P0 mentions Chewie not coming back as they’re on the way to the palace, would it be feasible to cut the scene of Leia arriving in disguise and handing over Chewie? Just cut straight to her sneaking in to free Han, getting captured, and we first see Chewie as Han arrives in the cell. Makes the plan less convoluted.

100% agreed, +1, and “would buy from again”, nightstalkerpoet! Count me in as someone who also dislikes - nay - loathes(!) the Leia-handing-Chewie-over scene 😄 Look, I’m all for any ideas of improving and keeping original scenes wherever possible, but if an entire sequence is arguably a bad idea in the first place and causes additional problems of its own, it just needs to go in my honest & humble opinion. Also by eliminating this scene, not only will it help make the disjointed rescue plan feel less convoluted, as you said nighstalkerpoet, but I do think it will help improve the pacing of the first act, which (to me at least), does kinda drag on during the Jabba’s Palace scenes and could be tightened up a bit. And another point I’ll finish with is (from my wishlist):

For improving the original nonsensical rescue plan, Leia should not be surrendering Chewie, a friend, with hopes of rescuing their other friend Han (otherwise they are back at square one, or as it turns out, in a worse scenario). A few good memorable moments cut out, but with nostalgia aside, it is for the better this way. It works perfectly well to have Chewie already captured (by some other undisclosed way) and to see him for the first time in the prison cell with Han.

No idea, though, if Ady feels the same way or not, so I do look forward to watching his upcoming video updates revealing what he would like to do, and I’ll be supportive of whichever way he thinks is best for the scene in question 😃

Interesting idea you brought up from FB, FVDnz, and for sure worth mentioning! As much as I do like the idea of seeing more Boba/Slave I, yeah, I agree with timdiggerm and G&G Fan, it would be best not to have a scene just to show him delivering HiC - I too think it works fine already seeing HiC for the first time when Jabba reveals it to R2 and ‘captain obvious’/3PO 😉 I don’t remember where I heard this, but I remember listening to an experienced editor say something to that effect of: “When editing a film, every shot of every scene must be intentional. You show just enough so the audience gets it, but any more than that then you’re wasting their time” - makes perfect sense to me! And that, btw, is also why I feel it’d be beneficial doing without the Leia-handing-Chewie-over scene, because it doesn’t add anything essential for advancing the plot, just the same as a Boba-handing-Solo-over scene wouldn’t either.

And I definitely agree, G&G Fan, at surface level it does seem silly if it took Boba a whole year to deliver Han… Although (forgive me as I play a little bit of devil’s advocate here), I guess in The Mandalorian, Mando did have multiple bounties in his locker before cashing in on those, and so for all we know (we don’t know from the movies) maybe Fett had several captured bounties in his ship too, cashed in on all the others first (and possibly each at a different galaxy), then finally a year later got to Jabba’s - not saying this is how it happened, but it’s possible 😉 So maybe it’s not that ridiculous, after all, if one has that possibility in mind, and it would also explain why he is even still there at Jabba’s, instead of: delivering a year ago and still there a whole year later (not saying a busy bounty hunter can’t take a year off for some R&R, lol, as that’s entirely possible too)… Or, it’s equally possible he delivers Han, runs off to do other errands, and a year later returns here, of all the palaces in all the planets in all the galaxies, just to hang out (when you think of it, this too kinda sounds silly at surface level, but it’s certainly possible, especially since he is apparently known to work often with Jabba [plus, maybe Jabba was having a Thirsty Thursday Bubble Tea Night that lured Boba back??])… But anyway, again, it all kinda depends on one’s point of view as each way works about the same 😄

Funnily enough, the recent comics have added all kinds of hijinks to Fett’s life between obtaining Solo and delivering him to Jabba.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett#Hunt_for_Nakano_Lash and everything after that

From what I understand, it is indeed stupid

Telion said:

The marvel SW comics are not the source you are looking for.

Yeah, I also rolled my eyes at that.

That guy with no name said:

Telion said:

The marvel SW comics are not the source you are looking for.

Yeah, I also rolled my eyes at that.

Yeah all of the extra mediums are often scattered and a mixed bag, to say the least, and so in my head canon they are secondary (at best) to these films 😉

Roobyoo said:

In the german translation, C-3PO is saying "Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never got out of this palace (“Lando Calrissian und der arme Chewbacca sind aus dieser Burg nie wieder herausgekommen.”)

Translations aren’t always accurate.

I’ve watched enough bad English dubs of Godzilla movies to know that 😄

Roobyoo said:

G&G-Fan said:

Roobyoo said:

In the german translation, C-3PO is saying "Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never got out of this palace (“Lando Calrissian und der arme Chewbacca sind aus dieser Burg nie wieder herausgekommen.”)

Translations aren’t always accurate.

I’ve watched enough bad English dubs of Godzilla movies to know that 😄

Yes I know, I just wanted to point out that in the german context, showing Chewbacca in the prison scene first would make sense.

If you want to remove all mystery about his location & fate, sure

timdiggerm said:

Roobyoo said:

G&G-Fan said:

Roobyoo said:

In the german translation, C-3PO is saying "Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never got out of this palace (“Lando Calrissian und der arme Chewbacca sind aus dieser Burg nie wieder herausgekommen.”)

Translations aren’t always accurate.

I’ve watched enough bad English dubs of Godzilla movies to know that 😄

Yes I know, I just wanted to point out that in the german context, showing Chewbacca in the prison scene first would make sense.

If you want to remove all mystery about his location & fate, sure

Can you elaborate? I see the opposite as true, where it’d add mystery by not revealing his location & fate until we see him when Han does.

.Mac. said:

timdiggerm said:

Roobyoo said:

G&G-Fan said:

Roobyoo said:

In the german translation, C-3PO is saying "Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never got out of this palace (“Lando Calrissian und der arme Chewbacca sind aus dieser Burg nie wieder herausgekommen.”)

Translations aren’t always accurate.

I’ve watched enough bad English dubs of Godzilla movies to know that 😄

Yes I know, I just wanted to point out that in the german context, showing Chewbacca in the prison scene first would make sense.

If you want to remove all mystery about his location & fate, sure

Can you elaborate? I see the opposite as true, where it’d add mystery by not revealing his location & fate until we see him when Han does.

Oooh I misunderstood.

timdiggerm said:

.Mac. said:

timdiggerm said:

Roobyoo said:

G&G-Fan said:

Roobyoo said:

In the german translation, C-3PO is saying "Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never got out of this palace (“Lando Calrissian und der arme Chewbacca sind aus dieser Burg nie wieder herausgekommen.”)

Translations aren’t always accurate.

I’ve watched enough bad English dubs of Godzilla movies to know that 😄

Yes I know, I just wanted to point out that in the german context, showing Chewbacca in the prison scene first would make sense.

If you want to remove all mystery about his location & fate, sure

Can you elaborate? I see the opposite as true, where it’d add mystery by not revealing his location & fate until we see him when Han does.

Oooh I misunderstood.

Oh I get that, no worries! 😄

But if there is anyone who thinks it’s better and makes sense to keep Leia handing over Chewie, I’m genuinely curious why you think so. If any patron, including Lando, can get in without having to bring in a Chewie to Jabba (not to be confused with the Chewy Granola Bar, lol, though he’d like that), then so can Leia 😉

I would certainly miss hearing “Yotoh…yotoh”

In all seriousness, it’s a great scene

timdiggerm said:

I would certainly miss hearing “Yotoh…yotoh”

In all seriousness, it’s a great scene

Oh I don’t disagree, it definitely has some good moments in there 😃 Just like seeing Luke building his green lightsaber is a great scene too (actually it’s very cool!). But trying to put nostalgia aside, I think we gotta honestly ask ourselves: Is this scene truly essential for advancing the plot? With this scene, does the “rescue plan” make better sense, or less sense? And would/should Leia willingly hand over Chewie? Even if there was no other choice and even if Chewie was okay with it, I’m not convinced she would actually do that to her favorite walking carpet 😄

Here’s a fun HelloGreedo video on his overall thoughts about the rescue plan and he absolutely nails it with the concluding point! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhvDfkQK2gQ