Just wanted to say that after a Clone Wars Rewatch the Force Ghosts in Ep 9 make sooooo much sense.
Yoda specifically says “achieve victory for all times”, after starting the training to become a Force Ghost. So slick!
Inspired by me absolutely DOMINATING as an Ewok warrior on Battlefront II the other night, I wonder if there would be a way to imply that the Resistance has recruited Ewoks into their ranks? Now, as goofy as that may sound, it would make sense that the off-shoot of the original Rebellion would try to maybe recruit some of the alien species that happened to take down the original Empire in the first place.
Obviously, not too much could be done in regards to like action scenes or whatnot. But I feel like you could maybe use some upscaled and color corrected footage from those Made-for-TV Ewok movies from back in the day in order to insert some footage of Ewoks hanging around at the Resistance base on D’Qar/Ajan Kloss? Granted, I’ve never actually seen those movies so I’m not sure if the footage would be useable there in the first place. But I feel like it could be worth a shot!
There’s also the opposite idea that the First Order was sent to kill them all by Jannah and her company. Probably at the direct command of General Pryde, because he was a part of the original Empire and wants revenge for Palpatine.
There’s also the opposite idea that the First Order was sent to kill them all by Jannah and her company. Probably at the direct command of General Pryde, because he was a part of the original Empire and wants revenge for Palpatine.
Actually, I just got another idea that this reminded me of because I just found out in those Ewok movies, they ride ponies in some scenes. So, using Hal’s fan edit as a template that makes Kef-Bir into Endor, we could include scenes of the Ewoks here as being allies to the defected Stormtroopers.
The space horses they ride look a lot different than the real-world ponies they use in those Ewok movies though. I’m not sure how it could really be used.
A mix of rudimentary visual effects and carefully chosen shots that omit their faces.
I’ve been away for a bit but I had a thought about tying Leia’s final moments to Ben’s redemption more closely. Not sure if someone else has already beat me to this particular punch but here’s a take nonetheless.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16uoi_8jiqei5ooLU2BptMp_LwmBcb5pV/view?usp=sharing
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
Previous attempts at that idea made it so Leia is giving her life-Force to be channeled through Rey into Kylo. This would explain how Rey is able to heal a fatal wound without dying like Ben. But you’ve taken another approach, actually, making it abundantly clear that Leia is summoning Han from the netherworld of the Force and the effort of that is what kills her. I think that’s a really cool idea, as well. The only (slight) problem with the idea is Ben’s line of “You’re just a memory” since in this case Ben isn’t hallucinating and his dad really is there with him because of Leia’s sacrifice.
Interpretation is a funny thing. I saw it as less of a physical presence and more of the detonation of a memory bomb she implanted as a last chance to get through to him. In my head that’s why the conversation mirrors so closely the bridge conversation in TFA and why I painted him out in the wide shot. I can totally see where you are coming from though. Thanks for checking it out!
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
Get in losers
We are replacing Palpatine with motherfucking Plagueis
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I’ve been thinking for a while about the infamous “Luke tries to kill Ben” scene in TLJ, and I think I’ve come up with a pretty neat idea to fix the scene’s biggest problem: why did Luke think Ben was beyond all hope, if all he saw was that Ben had some pretty scary thoughts? My version, which would be executed with the help of AI, attempts to give that reason. Here’s what I’m thinking:
REY: Tell me the truth!
LUKE: I saw darkness.
Flashback to Luke standing over Ben as he sleeps
LUKE (VO): I tried looking into his mind, to see what was causing it. But instead, I saw his future, and it was more horrible than I ever imagined.
Cut to a montage, with a ROTS-esque dreamlike filter, of Kylo’s darkest moments: destroying the temple, kneeling before Snoke, slaughtering people across the galaxy, watching as the New Republic is destroyed, and killing Han. Cut back to the flashback, as Luke recoils in horror.
LUKE: Ben’s fate had already been sealed.
Luke moves to pick up his lightsaber
LUKE: He would bring destruction and pain and death, and the end of everything I loved because of what he would become. And there was only one thing I could do to stop it.
Luke ignites his lightsaber, but hesitates
LUKE: But yet, I couldn’t do it, and I was left with shame. And with consequence.
Luke sees that Ben is awake
LUKE: And the last thing I saw were the eyes of the monster I failed to destroy.
They clash sabers, and the flashback ends
REY: You failed by thinking his choice was made! It wasn’t!
In this version, Luke’s choice is almost classicaly tragic. Rather than simply seeing what Ben might do, he sees what Ben WILL do, and he thinks that he has only two options:
In the end though, like with all classical tragedies, Luke’s attempt to cheat fate is exactly what leads to that fate happening in the first place: his indecision causes Ben to wake up, see his own master holding a lightsaber over his bed, and strike back, cementing his fall to the dark side. Luke made the wrong choice, but for reasons that are far more understandable than just “bad dreams”.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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I agree that this would resolve most of the issues people have with TLJ. And obviously it’s completely doable now thanks to AI. Although I do think his final line is a bit too hardcore.
I think the reason why they opted not to show what was going in Ben’s head/future was because then they’d be having a flash forward inside of a flashback. That would definitely get confusing. I wonder if this is doable with just purely the dialogue. Something like “Han and Leia would die because of what he would become”.
It’s a decent idea Starkiller, but I would say it doesn’t work fully because with a proper understanding of the force, we know that the future is always in motion. For Luke to have such confidence in Kylo’s future violates a very foundational aspect of what we know of the force, and I think this dialogue reads as Luke simply acting like an arrogant dolt who doesn’t understand how the force works rather than him being forced into a legitimate moral dilemma.
Him just saying that he knows Ben’s fate is sealed comes off as him being in great error about reading the force vision, which Rey immediately corrects and she seems in the right. I don’t think this fully solves the problem of Luke still being presented out of character.
(The Force Awakens) Heirs of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Last Jedi) Fate of the Jedi | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Rise of Skywalker) Legacy of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Bad Batch) Cinematic Version | A More Mature Edit
(The Mandalorian+Boba) The Way of Mandalore | A Compilation Edit
It’s a decent idea Starkiller, but I would say it doesn’t work fully because with a proper understanding of the force, we know that the future is always in motion.
Which is why it’s so insanely stupid that the original reason why Leia stopped being a Jedi is because she sensed her son would die at the end of her Jedi path. Thank God Ascendant v5 will be fixing this up. And I think this problem is still present to a certain extent in the original TLJ because Luke acts not only on the darkness already within him but also what he saw he was going to do.
My point in bringing this up is that both JJ and Rian seem to have characterized Luke and Leia as believing in the infallible nature of prophecy. Probably because their father did end up fulfilling his own prophecy, from their perspective. Plus, the idea that Luke believes his own visions to be infallible because he’s the “legendary” Luke Skywalker does play into the movie’s theme of the Jedi being arrogant and failing as a result.
Personally, I’d rather Luke’s arrogance and boldness due to his legendary feats be the reason he fails to assess his situation properly rather than him wanting to snuff out his nephew due to some bad dreams in the present.
I can’t for the life of me find the YouTube video, but I wrote down some quotes from one Last Jedi review that I felt was pretty well thought out and not just a “rage bait” review, and one thing he brought up was this moment with Luke. This is a part of that review that I wrote down:
Something I see brought up a lot in response to this is that allegedly this is the kind of Luke that George Lucas had in mind for his episode 8. I don’t immediately see that as a problem and let me try to paint a picture for you. Let’s say that Luke had seen the darkness rising in Kylo, and even the future potential destruction that he might bring, and then said, “I’m Luke Skywalker, a legend. If I can save Vader, I can save this kid too.” And he does his best to save his nephew, and fails. Now THAT is the kind of failure might give someone as optimistic as Luke an existential crisis, making him retreat to his island of solitude in self-doubt.
If an editor were to take that approach, I think they could use AI dialogue to have Luke explain to Rey earlier in the film that either him and/or Leia saw a dark vision of Ben’s future when he was just a boy, and this was the impetus to begin his training (maybe this occur when Luke first tells Rey about what happened). But Luke, knowing the future is always in motion and having helped turn his father back to the good side, believes he can also help his nephew avoid this future. After years of training and guidance, perhaps Luke says that he thought he had changed his fate, but after sensing the darkness rise again he looked inside Ben’s mind to discern the truth, he realizes that nothing he has done for all of these years has changed anything. He may even believe that he made things worse by training him in the ways of the Force in the first place, so he might even feel responsible for creating Kylo Ren.
This change, while still similar to what we got, would illustrate that Luke made a lot of effort to try and help Ben, years of effort, and realizes that he still couldn’t save him. He breaks, has a moment of weakness, and thinks killing Ben might be the last resort to stop this dark force that he’s helped create. And even then realizes that he can’t kill his own nephew.
So I think it is important to clarify that in this version of events, Luke actually sees the vision years before that fateful night, and years later when he looks into Ben’s mind, he is either seeing Ben’s plans and/or another vision of the future that is even worse than the first. At this point Luke thinks he has failed, that Ben has already decided to become the monster in his vision and was preparing to betray him.
So to bullet point the timeline of events:
• When Ben was just a boy, Luke (and/or Leia) has a dark vision of his future, that he would become another Vader.
• Luke, believing the future’s always in motion, takes Ben to train him in the ways of the Jedi.
• Over the years, Luke makes a lot of effort to teach Ben right vs wrong, the Jedi code, etc.
• Luke is slowly lulled into a false sense of security, thinking he has changed Ben’s future, but Snoke has been secretly indoctrinating him.
• At some point, Luke starts sensing that darkness return. Suspicious, he looks into Ben’s sleeping mind to discern the truth, and realizes that Ben has already turned to the dark side and is planning to betray him and the Jedi.
• Realizing that he failed to change Ben’s dark future and is potentially responsible for enabling it, he momentarily contemplates killing Ben as a last resort to stop all of the suffering that’s to come, but stops himself when he remembers that this is still his nephew.
Really this would line up with what is already in the film generally, except that this makes it clear that Luke has made a lot of effort over years to try and save Ben from his vision, and is shocked to realize that nothing he did could change it. And this could require minimal change to the dialogue, depending on how you wanted to approach it.
(I have also considered the idea of Luke saying that he realized Ben was going to betray him that very night, to make the threat imminent and Luke’s actions feel a little more justifiable because he’s out of time to try and save him. Perhaps that would take away from Ben’s “innocence”, but he may have still been on the fence regarding the plan, or it became a self-fulfilling prophecy when Luke ignited his lightsaber.)
Damn that’s really good stuff, too. I do wonder how all of that could be conveyed, though. The first flashback doesn’t really give us much of an opportunity to slide in an AI Luke line. And it would be hard to fit all of that entirely in the 3rd flashback.
During Rey’s second lesson, there is a shot of Rey sitting down listening to Luke offscreen, and Luke says, “For many years, there was balance, and then I saw…” before cutting back to Luke saying “Ben.” You could possibly have Luke say something here like, “For many years, there was balance, and then I saw a dark vision of…” (you could perhaps shorten that line in some way if that was an issue). So within this scene, you learn that a dark vision of Ben’s future was the impetus for his training. It actually works well with the rest of the dialogue in that scene if you paint the picture of Luke knowing Ben’s dark potential from the get-go, but thought he could save Ben like he saved his father. That’s arguably close to canon, but we’re just fine tuning the details to recontextualize certain character choices.
I have other thoughts on the other flashbacks to the temple massacre and that event in general that I can share later. I do think you could potentially reuse shots from the various flashbacks to extend them and add more dialogue if needed, but I think a part of it is just adjusting word choices to get that idea across better in the same amount of time. Just depends on how detailed you want to be versus how minimally you want to change the existing dialogue.
I love this. This idea really has legs.
I have other thoughts on the other flashbacks to the temple massacre and that event in general that I can share later. I do think you could potentially reuse shots from the various flashbacks to extend them and add more dialogue if needed, but I think a part of it is just adjusting word choices to get that idea across better in the same amount of time. Just depends on how detailed you want to be versus how minimally you want to change the existing dialogue.
This is definitely true. We could potentially show Luke looking at the burning temple again after where the third version of the flashback previously ends. Originally, that is only shown the first go around.