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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 700

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I think in “follow our mother’s path”, emphasis could be more on “mother’s”, right now it emphasises “path”.

Since it’s about contrasting their mother and father, and “father” was emphasised in the last phrase, I think it would flow better.

“I don’t believe it.”

“That is why you Yoda.”
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I agree. I initially generated probably like 25+ options, all using a prompt that had that word in all caps (which works with any other sentence for emphasis). I don’t think any of them properly emphasized that word. I’m thinking it’s having a hard time because it’s a possessive word, so I’m gonna try removing the apostrophe to see if that helps. I’ll keep generating more options until I get something closer.

EDIT: Hell, that did it almost immediately. I’m mad at myself for not trying that earlier. Here are a few options:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cjwQn5RGnGPJPB6kCxaVAOzSl1GeByWz/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LOuLK8JyRcGUFaQtXz1mMcigssGxVhgK/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lb3OoOpoyghXaSD5n3WamISFLDwg1sUQ/view?usp=sharing

Here is the one I prefer in the full string:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18DM5RYEqfEQST5MTaerHVkEsfS1CDr3f/view?usp=sharing

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The emphasis definitely sounds good! Though I actually prefer the first of those three to the one in the string, it sounds gentler, the third one sounds a bit intense?

“I don’t believe it.”

“That is why you Yoda.”
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Yeah, I’ll go with that. I was originally gonna go with it but I second-guessed myself thinking it needed to be more clear.

I just lost access to my computer for the rest of the day but rest assured I’ll be spending a lot more time on this tomorrow.

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Well, the weather ruined my plans for tonight so I’m back at it with a test of the first scene:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iRZ11y9vo9utoC7GwkTSROIXGifGEu3m/view?usp=sharing

To be clear, “What’re you most afraid of?” also had to be changed because Mark’s original delivery doesn’t emphasize “you” enough. Also, my intention is to exclude the “Final lesson” line from v4 because I personally think congruency with TLJ takes priority over a fan-servicey line that references TLJ. I also just prefer the more personable “Rey… some things are stronger than blood.”

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I’d say that’s a good idea. My original goal here was to do it like Hal with two separate clips for the two scenes. Mostly because I have to use the original movie for the first scene due to Ascendant deleting all the necessary stuff. But Hal can probably do this.

Thing is, he hasn’t even confirmed if replacing the line about fear keeping Luke on Ahch-To is something he’s even interested in. If it isn’t, then the only AI line in the first scene at all will be the one about Leia sensing Rey’s heritage. Which really isn’t too significant.

That being said, I suppose it would be pretty cool to see what the feel of the entire Ahch-To sequence will be like when all is said and done.

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Also, was there still a plan to add back in Luke’s “We’ll always be with you.” when Rey looks back at him after he lifts the X-Wing?

Great final line for Luke and a nice little tease for the appearance of the Phantom Four at the end.

The Star Wars Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX | Rogue One · Solo
What was first just a dream has become a frightening reality…

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That is also up to Hal. I think to really sell such a thing it would have to be clear he’s speaking to her in her head like on Exegol and not from 30 feet away. So maybe some sort of voice modulation effect that’s kinda echoey.

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I’ve spent a while today perfecting the lines for the flashback and I’m really satisfied with them at this point. There’s plenty of room for Hal to shift them around if he wants.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1erftdEgpBXgur2XIdD7AVQfNSqFCW1-w/view?usp=sharing

I wasn’t able to include the line of “Let Leia’s legacy guide you on Exegol” due to the fact that I don’t have all the proper materials here. But I think a good way to gauge how this is going is to watch my test from last night first and then watch this one.

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Wow, what a flurry of activity in the last day and a half!

At least what I can tell over phone speaker, those sound pretty good,
JJB. For the flashback, Luke speaks at about the right pace, though he sort of rushes through “chose compassion over hatred.”

Couple quick thoughts to respond to holdups!

I don’t feel a need to tinker with “it was fear that kept me here” as it’s a natural lead-in to the point Luke wants to make. Even if we quibble about TLJ, it’s not untrue that fear was part of the equation for him.

I do not think it works to shoehorn in dialogue during the X-wing scene, so I’m not interested in pursuing that.

As far as “final lesson”… could we perhaps try a few variations on it, to see if it can fit in seamlessly? It’s tricker now that we’re keeping more of the conversation. Maybe “My final lesson, Rey:”?

And once we can get things right, I’d be happy to assemble an entire Ach-To sequence to present.

Thanks so much for all the effort and discussion. As has been the case for this project from the beginning, it would have been dead in the water if it weren’t for you. I can’t dedicate meaningful time to these projects any longer, but want to
make V5 worthy of its finality.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Also happy 700 pages!

“I don’t believe it.”

“That is why you Yoda.”
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Hal 9000 said:

I don’t feel a need to tinker with “it was fear that kept me here” as it’s a natural lead-in to the point Luke wants to make. Even if we quibble about TLJ, it’s not untrue that fear was part of the equation for him.

I also believed this exact same thing a few months ago, so I totally get where you’re coming from. I hate to push back, but I’d bet there are plenty of people who think this is more of a serious continuity issue than Kylo claiming he told Rey her parents were nobody.

Here is a quote from Rian Johnson:

“The first thing I had to do when I was writing the script was figure out, okay, why is Luke on this island? … So, he knows his friends are fighting this good fight, he knows there’s peril out there in the galaxy, and he’s exiled himself way out here and taken himself out of it. So I had to figure out why. And I knew because its Luke Skywalker, who I grew up with as a hero, I knew the answer couldn’t be cowardice. I knew the answer had to be something active. He couldn’t just be hiding, and I knew it had to be something positive. He thinks he’s doing the right thing.

And that kind of led to the notion that he’s come to the conclusion from all the given evidence that the Jedi are not helping. They’re just perpetuating this kind of cycle, and that they need to go away so that the light can kind of rise from a more worthy source. And so suddenly then, that turned his exile from something where he’s hiding and avoiding responsibility, to him kind of taking the weight of the world on his shoulders and bearing this huge burden of knowing his friends are suffering. And because he thinks it’s a better, bigger thing for the galaxy, he’s choosing not to engage with it.”

The problem with the line in TROS is not that it mentions fear, but that it suggests that was the entire equation, and not merely a factor, to use the same analogy as you. “It was fear that kept me here”. See how it simplifies everything to an extreme degree? Really, not also that you thought the Jedi would only add to the problems of the galaxy? He’s basically admitting that everything he argued for in TLJ was entirely motivated by fear and shouldn’t be considered or remedied.

What I really think you should consider doing, is making it clear that Luke had his own fears, but they were not preventing him from leaving the island. That’s the definition of cowardice. He has to genuinely believe what he was saying in TLJ, but recognize that it was rooted in his aversion to failure.

For what it’s worth, I showed the first clip to somebody the other day who isn’t involved in this stuff and he couldn’t tell there was anything changed about it. Again, I’d rather not push for this, but it lines up with several other changes made for continuity with TLJ and I also think it’s something people will bring up in the future. Especially since we want this to be the final version, it’s worth considering more heavily, I feel.

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I also agree with this^.

There’s a bit of downtime in the “Failure was my greatest fear” line; would something a tad longer, like “Failing the galaxy was my greatest fear” be possible? Not just the broad banner of failure, but specifically failing the people who relied on him, since that’s his motive in TLJ? He thinks the best way to help is to remove the Jedi from the galaxy; “I can’t be what she needs me to be.”

“I don’t believe it.”

“That is why you Yoda.”
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Yeah, that would probably work better. I mostly didn’t realize how big of a space there is to be filled there. But it’s definitely doable in a seamless way.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Yeah, that would probably work better. I mostly didn’t realize how big of a space there is to be filled there. But it’s definitely doable in a seamless way.

A slight reword just came to me that might work even better, particularly in terms of the flow of the conversation:

“I failed the galaxy. My greatest fear.”

This has a more logical progression:

“I was wrong. I failed the galaxy. My greatest fear. What are you afraid of?”

“I don’t believe it.”

“That is why you Yoda.”
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Could i have a link please?

I heard this is the best re edit of Episode 9.

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The focus should remain on Rey and not get too detailed about Luke. I don’t like him saying “I failed” in the present tense in TROS.

The existing line sets up his point well, in saying it’s what “kept him here” before Luke interrogates Rey’s misguided journey to that location.

I don’t know how to rephrase the existing line to retain the link to the location, lead naturally into a question of Rey’s fear, and change the implication about Luke.

In isolation, it wouldn’t be fair to characterize Luke’s reclusion to the island as due to straightforward fear. But in the context of the whole TROS Ach-To sequence, I don’t have a problem with this line. He’s making a point by picking up on a relevant factor from his own experience that mirrors Rey’s closely enough. Luke didn’t shut himself away due to fearing his raw power, but he did fear Ben’s. And perhaps that (but not only that) is enough to extend this question to her to relate and begin to pull her out of her slump.

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The most obvious solution is: “It was fear that led me here”. That way his fear was not actively keeping him there. And it’s more relatable to Rey since she only just arrived, as well. Unless there’s something wrong with that wording?

Alternatively, we could hone in on his fear of Ben/Kylo, but I’m not sure how to word that while matching your other criteria.

If neither of those work for you, then I’ll just add this to the list for my other thread so we can focus back on the other important stuff.

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Eh, doing that doesn’t seem to solve anything. Whether fear led him there but didn’t keep him or kept him there but didn’t lead him there seems to be splitting hairs.

I’d rather leave the line alone, but I appreciate the thought about it.

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Could we try generating a few tales of “Final lesson, Rey”?

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Yeah, that along with a new generation for the compassion over hatred line is next on my list. Otherwise we should be good for this scene!

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Alrighty, I’ve got the flashback 100% there, I think! I ended up having to split the final line into 2 in order to get the AI to go where I wanted it to:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wNiIIYvevrXzwFxSUfqCdBghFMAxDyKB/view?usp=sharing

Here are all the raw lines:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jLefM5fhd6o7prut9O2Uumv6CGvs2RqF?usp=sharing

I’ll get to the final lesson line next. Only reason I didn’t do all this in one go is because I like to test these things by putting them into the scenes and I don’t have a saved project file for that specific line, yet.

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Absolutely sublime. Bravo.

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