The line sounds good but personally I prefer the current solution of excising that plotline completely. I know it doesn’t leave Finn with much to do but I don’t think he really has much to do either way unfortunately.
At the very least it is something that can easily be dropped into other people’s edits.
The Luke line about the final lesson still does not work in context, sadly.
And the line about Rey sensing the Force in Finn just has no place to be slotted in.
Thanks for trying, but I’ll continue to prepare for V3’s release.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
Fair enough Hal. Excited for the release!
Sorry for the double post but I have another unrelated idea that might be more feasible.
Basically, given that we see in the crawl that Kylo is on Mustafar chasing whispers of a hidden power and we see Vader’s castle, what if as soon as Kylo finishes killing the cultists he hears the voice of Vader guiding him towards the Wayfinder and that’s what makes him turn his head so suddenly? A line like “You are ready”. And then when he reaches the Wayfinder, instead of having the voice of Palpatine say “Find me” we hear Vader saying something like “You must finish what I started”.
I think this way the audience can make a stronger relation between Vader, his castle, the Wayfinder and it quickly reintroduces Kylo Ren’s existence in the shadow of his grandfather. By doing this, when he arrives on Exegol, the reveal of “I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head” feels even more surprising given that its giving you a twist on the earlier assumption that Vader was talking to him and also when Palpy says “Become what your grandfather could not” it now feels like its something that has meaning to him as a character.
EDIT: Here’s some possibilities I could come up with https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Jo7BzwKq4q8ylY4eQTz2lSoKaKpVslz?usp=sharing
That’s a nice idea!
Really cool concept, but imo the voice doesn’t sound much like Vader.
I like you, let us burn things together.
Are you using ElevenLabs? I feel like whatever you’re using isn’t detecting the robotic side of his voice and as a result doesn’t end up sounding much like Vader.
I don’t think that’s necessary, and the voice isn’t anywhere near where it’d need to be for the commanding opening lines from JEJ’s infamous character.
Other than a heavily subdued “find me,” I think the movie is right to let a sequence go by before making Palpatine’s line be first.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
Are you using ElevenLabs? I feel like whatever you’re using isn’t detecting the robotic side of his voice and as a result doesn’t end up sounding much like Vader.
I am using Eleven Labs but to be fair I did use a really small sample to generate the voice. I’m sure I could get it to sound much better as this was just mostly a proof of concept.
I don’t think that’s necessary, and the voice isn’t anywhere near where it’d need to be for the commanding opening lines from JEJ’s infamous character.
I think that’s fair enough. Like I said, I think I could work the voice to get an acceptable match to JEJ but if you aren’t sold at a conceptual level then I will stop pursuing it.
On another note, I think I have been able to get a fairly decent helmetless Adam Driver clone. I’ve been playing with this idea:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18a_wzazS4OafXuzThFd1mmnkmh3Bp_9i/view?usp=sharing
Disclaimer: the video quality is bad but I think it gets the idea across.
Woah that’s a really impressive voice ngl.
I would be 100 percent behind this if it weren’t for a conversation we all had awhile back. Basically, we don’t want the audience to think he’s just a clone of Palpatine. Somehow, it has to be clear that it’s a weak clone with the actual essence of Palpatine within. Having Kylo deliver that line gives more credence to the former rather than to the latter.
Woah that’s a really impressive voice ngl.
I would be 100 percent behind this if it weren’t for a conversation we all had awhile back. Basically, we don’t want the audience to think he’s just a clone of Palpatine. Somehow, it has to be clear that it’s a weak clone with the actual essence of Palpatine within. Having Kylo deliver that line gives more credence to the former rather than to the latter.
100%. That is an impressive voice, fits in rather nicely.
“You’re just a clone.”
“Your clone.”
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
What about: “You possess dying clones… what could you give me?”
Somehow, it has to be clear that it’s a weak clone with the actual essence of Palpatine within. Having Kylo deliver that line gives more credence to the former rather than to the latter.
I see what you’re saying. Although I think the previous Palpatine line “Kill my and my spirit will pass into you…” kinda already suggest that his essence was transferred to this body.
Also, if you guys remember any earlier ideas to use Adam Driver’s voice that would be worth revisiting, let me know and I can try generating some of that.
What about: “You possess dying clones… what could you give me?”
I’ll check on that.
There was a lot of clamor for a new final line for Ben. I was never outright opposed to the idea, but I didn’t think it was worth the effort to find the right source audio.
Since you’ve already done that for us, I suppose this is back on the table. It could be something he says to her through the Force after fading away, or we could try to find a spot where you can’t see his mouth very well.
Personally, I’d like to make the “finish what his grandfather started” link more explicit. Saving the one he loves from certain death and all that.
What about: “You possess dying clones… what could you give me?”
Maybe something more poetic, less bluntly scientific?
“You’re a phantom,” or “You’re a shadow” or “You’re a ghost.” Just something to imply he’s spiritually a remnant of Palpatine while not being physically the original. It also still works with Kylo’s dismissive tone.
Here’s with that new suggested line: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14BLjRexChM1vWw9GOUefxmCcALw6LeIX/view?usp=sharing
There was a lot of clamor for a new final line for Ben. I was never outright opposed to the idea, but I didn’t think it was worth the effort to find the right source audio.
Since you’ve already done that for us, I suppose this is back on the table. It could be something he says to her through the Force after fading away, or we could try to find a spot where you can’t see his mouth very well.
Personally, I’d like to make the “finish what his grandfather started” link more explicit. Saving the one he loves from certain death and all that.
Ok that could be interesting. I personally feel it’s unneeded but if people come up with a line I can generate to convey that idea then I will gladly do so.
“You’re just a ghost” isn’t half bad. But I’d personally prefer to namedrop the term “clone” in case a hypothetical first time viewer missed the vat of them from earlier.
[krlozdac said:]
Ok that could be interesting. I personally feel it’s unneeded but if people come up with a line I can generate to convey that idea then I will gladly do so.
As someone who’s been championing having a new final line for Ben, I know that in the novelization that Rey and he have a brief interaction as she’s flying away where he says “I will always be with you” and she replies “No one’s ever really gone”, echoing what Luke said to her earlier in the film. I think we could have him say both of these lines or maybe just one or the other to her telepathically (my preference would be the latter line).
Other than that, we could just add a couple of simple sort of lines throughout the last act of the movie after his turn during the fight scenes and stuff. I think a good place to maybe add some of these would be after he crawls out of the pit and right before he resurrects Rey where he’s kind of just looking around and cradling her dead body. I know in MR’s edit, he has him say something like “Dad…” during this moment as he helplessly looks around for guidance. But I think just having him mutter a “No” or “Rey…” during this scene could add wonders into the scene and just make the final moments of arguably one of the best characters in this trilogy be a bit less stoic.
EDIT: Actually, just got another idea as well, echoing the very first words we ever hear Kylo Ren say in this trilogy: “Look how far you’ve come”. It’s just a simple sort of reassurance and while it may be kind of cloying, I feel like it fits with some of the schlocky sort of sincerity and melodrama this series has sometimes. And on another note, it also kind of hearkens back to that moment in TFA when he’s all like “I can teach you the ways of the Force!” in a weird sort of roundabout way.
IDK, I’m just kind of spitballing some stuff here.
For the opening:
When focusing on Rey during their bond scene where they pass the lightsaber:
When Rey “dies”, a somber:
When Rey leaves, happily:
The Star Wars Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX | Rogue One · Solo
What was first just a dream has become a frightening reality…
Maybe Kylo’s opening line could emphasize that Palpatine’s current body is decaying? “You’re a dying husk. What could you give me?”
For the end, a simple “Rey” when he sees her again would say a lot, and maybe a “thank you” as he fades away. I do like “look how far you’ve come” too, that BrotherofSasquatch suggested.
I like you, let us burn things together.
“You’re just a phantom, in a failed clone.”
“You’re just a ghost, in a rotting shell.”
I feel like some variation of that has a nice ring to it but gets the idea across. He is a failed experiment, clinging to a life that has long passed.
I liked the idea of what Sasquatch said, if his last words were just “Rey” or something wouldn’t feel too on the nose. And I think the moment when they sense each other, right before she passes the saber to him, works better with no dialogue.
“You’re just a ghost, in a rotting shell”. I like that, and I thought about sharing it but I was trying to avoid referencing the anime Ghost in the Shell.
DZ-330 said:
When focusing on Rey during their bond scene where they pass the lightsaber:
- “Rey, I’m here.”
I think just having “Rey…” at this moment would be cleaner but like RL said, I feel like this is a moment that actually kind of benefits from how silent it is.
“You’re just a ghost, in a rotting shell”. I like that, and I thought about sharing it but I was trying to avoid referencing the anime Ghost in the Shell.
That’s exactly why I used that phrase! At least you have more restraint than I do.
JarJar, how do you give “direction” to ElevenLabs to have different iterations of the voices display more/varied emotion?