I would suggest “Lightspeed-Ram” as that would come much closer to matching the lip movements.
You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?
I agree. Ramming something is also done intentionally, whereas most crashes are unintentional. However, here is proof that this would end up sounding good (with my previous line):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zCQ8j6lxN59hsUuBWcMQbX-yeAgPZd_D/view?usp=sharing
I’ll just regenerate them with the different wording.
Ohh, that’s good JJB. And a very creative way to bring that section of the film back. That was another one of those cuts that felt a little too cutty in the original Ascendant. Plus I think it’s useful to have Rey and Finn greet each other with a hug. It’s a much stronger way to reestablish the characters’ relationship in the movie.
I tried to get the line delivery as close as possible to the originals:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OBZW0HmX89FXHnTX5oeE6LPTBvG6aETo/view?usp=sharing (updated)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12jaAdFLXU51RVqZURTiYbYVW6kZJqOAN/view?usp=sharing
It’s up to Hal now if he wants to use it. Personally, I think that this helps bring some cohesiveness between TLJ and TROS, as well. This way we have an in-film acknowledgement that it is a real technique in the Star Wars galaxy that’s been around for awhile. Glad he removed the “Holdo maneuver” line because it implies she’s the one that invented it. You’re seriously telling me nobody thought of doing it before? lol.
what do you guys think to generate a new line regarding the repaired and unstable saber? it’s something special from this edit that is never acknowledged in the movie, but now someone, maybe leia, rey or kylo could talk about and give it more context, something related to rey herself being unstable and closer to the dark in a parallel of kylo’s saber.
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
That’s not a bad idea, Donkey…
I’m not sure what would be best for it. When Leia hands it to her at the start?
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
That’s not a bad idea, Donkey…
I’m not sure what would be best for it. When Leia hands it to her at the start?
i think perhaps kylo should be the one to acknowledge this, something like “Oh you’re a jedi now? then why your saber looks EVIL???”
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
We could replace Kylo’s “Do you still count the days since your parents left? Such pain in you. Such anger.” Since we are already replacing the following dialog anyways!
Hal, how did you feel about the lightspeed ramming stuff?
EDIT: I think a funny response for him on this context would follow the same pattern as Rey’s “I see through the cracks in your mask. You can’t stop seeing what you did to your father.” Maybe he could say in response, “I see the cracked crystal in your saber. You believe that you will never be a true Jedi.” Then it would go to our other new lines: “My mother doesn’t see the darkness in you. Your friends don’t either. But I do.”
Sorry, I was in a hurry earlier. Yes, I do like that idea and agree it’d remove an awkward cut from Ascendant. 😃
And a line about her saber as a retort about the cracks in his mask… well, it’s like poetry.
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
I feel like he wouldn’t comment on it until he actually saw it, like when they first clash sabers in his chambers. Unless he is just gonna talk about the physical modifications she made to it. I think Kylo actually says something in that moment while they’re holding their sabers against each other, so it could be a good spot.
Since the voice AI tool is allowing us to not having to trim as much and make the edit more seamless, I think the voice AI stuff would have a significant benefit during the chamber duel in regards to a Rey Nobody edit. You could keep the entire scene, just replace Kylo talking about her parents to Kylo talking about the fate of her friends, and you could replace the “flashbacks” with “flashforwards” of the battle.
That’s a pretty good line, although would we care that Kylo hasn’t necessarily seen her saber yet? I guess she has it on her belt.
I feel like he wouldn’t comment on it until he actually saw it, like when they first clash sabers in his chambers. Unless he is just gonna talk about the physical modifications she made to it. I think Kylo actually says something in that moment while they’re holding their sabers against each other, so it could be a good spot.
Since the voice AI tool is allowing us to not having to trim as much and make the edit more seamless, I think the voice AI stuff would have a significant benefit during the chamber duel in regards to a Rey Nobody edit. You could keep the entire scene, just replace Kylo talking about her parents to Kylo talking about the fate of her friends, and you could replace the “flashbacks” with “flashforwards” of the battle.
For my own Nobody edit, I’m off down the same path I was on before (they’re still talking about how Rey’s parents were killed by Palpatine). But I’m just doing that to start out, because I know it can be done. But the possibilities are so much wider now. Definitely interested in thinking about ways to execute your deadly premonitions version, or the Rey killed her parents concept. You could probably make anything work at this point.
We could replace Kylo’s “Do you still count the days since your parents left? Such pain in you. Such anger.” Since we are already replacing the following dialog anyways!
Hal, how did you feel about the lightspeed ramming stuff?
EDIT: I think a funny response for him on this context would follow the same pattern as Rey’s “I see through the cracks in your mask. You can’t stop seeing what you did to your father.” Maybe he could say in response, “I see the cracked crystal in your saber. You believe that you will never be a true Jedi.” Then it would go to our other new lines: “My mother doesn’t see the darkness in you. Your friends don’t either. But I do.”
I like this idea a lot. I would, however, be careful of removing Kylo’s mention of Rey’s parents leaving her and that it’s still a big deal for her given the reveal of her parentage later.
As cool as it is, I think the crackling saber doesn’t require a verbal explanation given that it was visually set up in the previous movie well enough.
Yeah I had considered the fact that he hasn’t seen it yet. He doesn’t see it until she ignites it when he’s about to run her over with his TIE. I’ll take a look at their duel to see if there’s possibly a gap. But at the end of the day I don’t think it’s too big of a deal if it’s purely a visual change and is never directly mentioned by a character.
i don’t think an explanation is necessary, but i think there’s something that could add value to the saber, it’s a direct visual parallel, maybe kylo could see the cracked and unstable skywalker blade in his vision with vader’s helmet, and it all spins in the same direction, cracked sabers, cracked helmet, pull to darkness, pull to light.
it could be something in the likes of:
Rey: I see through the cracks in your mask. You can’t stop seeing what you did to your father.
Kylo: I saw you tried to repair my family’s saber. But there are cracks that can’t be restored.
EDIT: also, the skywalker saber is an important plot point in the previous movies, i highly doubt that anyone, specially kylo, wouldn’t have anything to say about the legendary skywalker saber being cracked and unstable just like his
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
there’s also another point regarding kylo that i would like to add to discussion, now that we have our own artificial Adam Driver, maybe we can get a new line about his view of vader after discovering that palpatine is behind it all.
in Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of the Fates script, there’s a scene (after kylo found palpatine’s holocron inn vader’s lair) where kylo is talking to the mask and he says something in the likes of “now i understand you, you’re weak and you let love blind you, i won’t make the same mistake”, maybe we could do something with it? At least a little somethinng like “you’re never really here, but i don’t need you anymore” during the vision scene, just to close this plot point that’s completely forgotten about in this movie.
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
I don’t have an unmasked Kylo that sounds convincing enough, sadly.
As for the cracked saber, I think we might have to look in a different place to put that line. Krlozdac has a decent point that Rey is still hurt by her parents leaving her. But I do wonder if acknowledging that is still all that important since it’s going to be retconned later on, anyways.
What lines did we want 3PO to say, again? I’d like to get started on generating those. I believe we can invent whatever we want him to say to the stormtroopers, right?
Here is the comparison, so I’m guessing it would be the spy line unless we want him to say something else:
Original
Trooper: What’s your operating number?
C-3P0: “Speaking gibberish”
Trooper: That’s not even a language!
Ascendant V2
Trooper: Who are you?!
C-3P0: I am a highly-trained Resistance spy!
Trooper: Then why are you… what?!
The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.
My problem with that line is that it presumes 3PO was able to pick up on a lot of information about himself, rather than the situation he finds himself in. Previous scenes seem to indicate that people are mostly ignoring him because they find his new state annoying. That line would work well if he had asked somebody like Poe who he was and he said, “All you need to know is that you used to be a highly-trained spy who worked for the Resistance.” Thus, it would be funny when 3PO repeats that same information to a stormtrooper. Alas, we obviously don’t have the resources to produce such a thing.
The line “I am on a mission for the Resistance!” is much more believable since he could glean all of that information from the others. He obviously knows he’s on a mission to rescue somebody called “Chewie”, and we can assume somebody mentioned the Resistance by name off-screen.
Here is a really solid take I got of it, although I have some alternatives: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1skny-Is5lOJW2RHW7v8yuYDc1NwfdJ69/view?usp=sharing
Could he say, in response to being asked who he is, “I had hoped you would tell me!”
The only other line that would really be good to have is something to fit after “What a dreadful situation,” where we currently have “Where is an R2 unit when you need one,” which has sound effects over top. For this one, what about “I don’t think I’m programmed to be a mechanic.”
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
I’ll get to those when I can later today. I think that is a better response, for sure.
Here is a really good take of that first line:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CZ20wjEcRhpyVaEN3F4kyR_EB1vtitvk/view?usp=sharing
As for the second one, here is an extremely good take, as well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-TcvUJ4TZUOCwi3Mcm4mg27y-XvcyRBE/view?usp=sharing
I have plenty of alternatives for both of these that sound just as good but with different emphases. Let me know if you want to hear those as well. I just picked out my favorite ones.
For the first line, I think if we can have him sounding more like he is asking a question it might sound even better.
The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.
Is it ironic to say that C3P0’s AI voice sounds more robotic than the AI voices of human character?
I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I thought they sounded very similar to Anthony Daniels and his character.
For the first line, I think if we can have him sounding more like he is asking a question it might sound even better.
I’ll post some alternatives later tonight.