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Looking forward to it very much, Zion. Thank you.

looking for HDTV of the  Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.  Also HDTV of The Lord of the Rings trilogy

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Originally posted by: zion
* Run through Laserschwert's De-Jaggy/De-Ghost script (also resizing to anamorphic) and import to VDubMod for MSU sharpen and denoiser filters.


So, you still need to de-ghost the whole thing? I was very impressed by Tellan's ghost-free captures on the Lancer-project. By the way, are you now capturing at a brighter setting? In this case I guess the VirtualDub "Exorcist" (or its AviSynth-pendant "Ghostbuster") is the better choice over my ghost-script.

(By the way, I would love to get a sample clip of your new raw capture again... I'd like to play around with it)
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Ahem... sample-clip?

If it's too much uploading a 200MB HuffYUY-clip again, then I would be happy to get a high-bitrate MPEG2... would be enough for testing.
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New screenies, though they are not fully color corrected yet. Things like saturation and color gain have yet to be adjusted as I usually do them for each shot individually.

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/zion-04356-002.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/zion-04356-003.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/zion-04356-004.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/zion-04356-005.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/zion-04356-009.jpg

I modified my workflow a little also. I incorporated the TooT and De-Jaggy/De-Ghost scripts into one and saved myself a step. I also added a minor sharpen filter in Premiere.

These should look much better once I have time to finish the color correction. Though I can already tell that I will need to work on the dot crawl as the VDub filter didn't work well enough. I may also experiment again with adding Convolution3D on a light setting as these are a little grainy.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I dunno: I think I've seen better. I mean from you yourself, zion! The problems I think I see are:

- Ghosting. I'd say maybe 5-10 pixels to the right of a sharp edge, like the old guy, or Leia in the last pic, and at both edges. It's subtle, but it's there. Must be an artifact of de-ghosting (ironically)? I don't recall noticing this right away on your previous shots.

- Grain. This is tough, because the source is so grainy. Maybe C3D will help (as you suggest). That, or something else. But I think you're right to try.

- Colour. Yeah, I know you're not finished. The colour isn't so bad, but it seems like there should be more of it -- the saturation's a little low, in my opinion.

- Combing. The edges seem to be combed. Most noticable in the first shot (edge of the Tatooine blue halo). Don't know how or why, or how to fix it (short of cropping it off!).

I'm not trying to poop on your efforts; I know you like constructive criticism, and that's what I'm trying to provide. One of these days I'll get around to posting some of my own caps, at which point I will be wanting mucho feedback, too.

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Zion,

Your screenshots on the "Official Screenshots" thread are sharper than these current ones.

I second the color comment, your "Official's" are better also.
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Heh, thank you QC department for your input. I think this just goes to show that I probably shouldn't put up anything until it's finished. The color correction process makes a world of difference, and you'll see that once I have the finished shots. Now to address the issues:

- Ghosting. I'd say maybe 5-10 pixels to the right of a sharp edge, like the old guy, or Leia in the last pic, and at both edges. It's subtle, but it's there. Must be an artifact of de-ghosting (ironically)? I don't recall noticing this right away on your previous shots.
I can say almost without a doubt that it's a direct result of the deghosting. I'm not 100% fixed on using the current method, and I hope that Laserschwert will chime in with a better one. Perhaps the VDub filters he was talking about will work better than this AVISynth function. This will definitely be looked at closely as I believe it's my #1 problem at the moment.

- Grain. This is tough, because the source is so grainy. Maybe C3D will help (as you suggest). That, or something else. But I think you're right to try.
It will. The grain doesn't look too bad on the original capture, but the sharpening filters have a way of making it more visible.

- Colour. Yeah, I know you're not finished. The colour isn't so bad, but it seems like there should be more of it -- the saturation's a little low, in my opinion.
I agree 100%. In my color correction process, I adjust saturation, individual color gain, and contrast levels for each shot. This is the biggest difference maker, and unfortunately the biggest time consumer. All that has been done so far is a color shift to remove excess yellow and black level enhancement.

- Combing. The edges seem to be combed. Most noticable in the first shot (edge of the Tatooine blue halo). Don't know how or why, or how to fix it (short of cropping it off!).
This is common on a lot of captures if you'll notice. I believe it's the capture card that does it and there's nothing you can do about it but crop it off. If you're capture card doesn't yeild similar results, it's probably because it clips off the edges. Before I hacked the capture settings, this is what my card was doing. It was actually clipping a good 20-40px off of each side.


Edit: I hope I'm not coming off as sounding condecending here. I value everyone's input and appreciate your feedback.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Ok, laserschwert was absolutely right. The VDub "Exorcist" method does a much better job and looks much sharper. Whereas the other method left the edges looking blurry, this one keeps them sharp and retains that otherwise lost detail.

Also, adding the Convolution3D filter makes a huge difference. I was using this way back when, but eliminated it with the thought that the video was losing too much detail. I'm using a lower setting than before, which I think is a healthy compromise.

Now if I could just figure out the best way to eliminate dot crawl....

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Zion, you can delete the clip you've uploaded, I got it. By the way, was that clip really a raw capture? It looked liked it's already been tinkered with...

For removing ghosts from those clips Exorcist is the way to go, I guess. Still, it causes edges to become very soft, but well, that's the source... I might be wrong, but I feel that the clips you've posted earlier (including my first SangNom-tests) looked slightly better than your newest version...
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The only thing tinkered with on that clip was the capture settings. I agree with you though, my last capture looked better. This one's a bit too washed out color-wise. I played around more today and found some comb settings that fix the ghosting problem a bit, though I can't get rid of it fully. I'm going to do a new capture and if you want I'll upload a new clip for you.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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No need to upload another clip... but I am looking forward to some progress on your end.
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Zion your version looks great, keep up the good work. Also i havent been to the forums in awhile and am to lazy to read all the 24 forum pages.... i was wondering are you going to sell your versions or will you upload them.

Regards,
MoBiUs[RO]
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Originally posted by: zion
Now if I could just figure out the best way to eliminate dot crawl....
Just a suggestion - have you tried capturing via s-video instead of composite? S-video was better for me, but YMMV.

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Yes ! I would have prefer the original 4:3, but this looks great. Good luck.
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Originally posted by: Ludwig von 97
Yes ! I would have prefer the original 4:3, but this looks great. Good luck.

Are you talking about Pan/Scan or about the conversion to anamorphic?

A new release of Star Wars is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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Originally posted by: Wer-Al_Zwowe
Originally posted by: Ludwig von 97
Yes ! I would have prefer the original 4:3, but this looks great. Good luck.

Are you talking about Pan/Scan or about the conversion to anamorphic?


I'm a bit lost there ... sorry ... When I edit video, I try to keep it as close as possible to the original, and I've never been really concerned about 16:9 screens since I watch the movie on my computer ... But to me 16:9 looks a bit "squeezed" ...

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When I encode AVIs, I usually use a cropped 704x480, such that if my ratio is 4:3, my output is 704x480; 16:9, 704x400; 2.35:1, 704x300. I haven't heard of movies in stranger ratios, so I think I've got it covered. XD

Star Wars looks nice on my monitor at 704x300. Though, to be honest, I actually prefer pan and scan on such a small (LOL, 17") display. (Not to mention, until downloading the Dr. Gonzo rips, I had not actually seen the OOT in widescreen, nor the SE ESB, and had only seen the SE ANH and ROTJ in widescreen once, in the theater, usually watching a TV cap I taped in 1993 or 94 off USA, which was my first exposure to any of the movies - so the OOT for me is 4:3, not 2.35:1 as for most people, who caught it in the theaters.)

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Oh my goodness!

Pan-scan is EVIL... why would you want to watch that? More than half the image gets thrown away... EEVVIILLL!!!
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My versions will most likely be uploaded to myspleen when finished. But I'm sure they will find their way to ebay somehow as well.

They will be anamorphic, as it's the method of choice for modern home theater. If you want a more in-depth explanation, read the first few pages of this thread.

And please, read the first post in this thread before asking basic questions like this.


Moth3r, I've tried capturing in S-Video but the dot crawl actually looks worse. The reason is the comb filter on the capture card is better than the one in the LD player.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Here is the problem I mentioned earlier with my new LD player:
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/cldd704ghost.jpg

Notice the ghosting to the right of Leia's hand. This happens anyplace there is something bright against a dark surrounding or vice versa. Some sort of bleeding or ghosting is cast to the right on anything of high contrast.

Does anyone know what causes this? It doesn't happen on my other LD player so I know the problem is player-specific. Could this possibly be fixed by cleaning the lens or doing some minor repair to the unit? I really hope this is something I can fix because it would be such a waste if I couldn't use this CLD-D704 unit I just purchased.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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Zion, try using Google Groups to search for "pioneer streaking" in alt.video.laserdisc.

Here is something that looks relevant, there might be more advice in that group.

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I'm a bit lost there ... sorry ... When I edit video, I try to keep it as close as possible to the original, and I've never been really concerned about 16:9 screens since I watch the movie on my computer ... But to me 16:9 looks a bit "squeezed" ...


Hold on, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Ludwig... the "original" IS widescreen!!!! All the posts you have seen in this thread represent how Star Wars looked in theaters... at least in aspect ratio (width x height). Your statement shows that you REALLY need to educate yourself in the ways of theatrical presentation and how it relates to proper presentation in the home. Widescreen is the only way to go. If 16x9 has always looked "squeezed" to you, you probably have had your display set up wrong. If you are watching on a 4x3 television, and your DVD player has been set to 16x9, then anamorphically enhanced DVDs would look wrong.

Check this link out.

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