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The Random EU Thoughts Thread — Page 11

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I mean, I, Jedi is a book that literally exists to insert Corran into the Jedi Academy Trilogy, so it doesn’t surprise me that he did the same thing later on down the line with another series.

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I haven’t read any of the X-Wing books yet, but I’m starting to wonder if Corran Horn’s “flaws” as a Jedi might have been Stackpole reacting to criticism about his abilities in his early SW books. As mentioned, a lot of things do not work out for Horn in the Dark Tide bduology, and even his Force powers were pretty ‘nerfed’ overall (most notably his inability to use telekinesis).


LuckyGungan2001 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

So I just finished reading the book Dark Tide II: Ruin and I’m very confused by the space-station pictured on the cover (both the American and the Japanese version).

What is it? As far as I could tell it never appeared in the story. When I first bought the book I figured it was a reference to TPM which had just been released a year before the book, because it kinda looks like one of the Trade Federation command ships, but none of those were ever mentioned.

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It was gonna be in the unreleased middle book of the Dark Tide trilogy that was cut down to two books. I guess they were too lazy to remove it from the cover.

Interesting. Do you have some source for that? Now I’m curious as to what was planned for the middle book.

I’m having a hard time to figure out what they could have squeezed in between the two Dark Tide books.

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ZkinandBonez said:

I haven’t read any of the X-Wing books yet, but I’m starting to wonder if Corran Horn’s “flaws” as a Jedi might have been Stackpole reacting to criticism about his abilities in his early SW books. As mentioned, a lot of things do not work out for Horn in the Dark Tide bduology, and even his Force powers were pretty ‘nerfed’ overall (most notably his inability to use telekinesis).


LuckyGungan2001 said:

ZkinandBonez said:

So I just finished reading the book Dark Tide II: Ruin and I’m very confused by the space-station pictured on the cover (both the American and the Japanese version).

What is it? As far as I could tell it never appeared in the story. When I first bought the book I figured it was a reference to TPM which had just been released a year before the book, because it kinda looks like one of the Trade Federation command ships, but none of those were ever mentioned.

Link to American cover

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It was gonna be in the unreleased middle book of the Dark Tide trilogy that was cut down to two books. I guess they were too lazy to remove it from the cover.

Interesting. Do you have some source for that? Now I’m curious as to what was planned for the middle book.

I’m having a hard time to figure out what they could have squeezed in between the two Dark Tide books.

I saw it on Wookieepedia, it was called Dark Tide: Siege.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Just when I thought my appreciation for Dark Empire couldn’t rise any higher, the universe gives me this belated birthday present.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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A lot of fans hate the old EU, and go out of their way to trash it as much as possible and to rub in that “It was never canon.” And it makes me wonder, why do they care so much?

They’ve gotten what they wanted. The EU was ended and declared as definitely non-canon. But they seem to hate the fact that a lot of people prefer it over the current canon. That’s unacceptable to them, for some reason.

And a lot of them use the argument that, since George didn’t recognize it as part of his own canon, it should be disregarded in discussions. But going by that logic, everything George didn’t work on should be disregarded.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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All I can say is that a big chunk of my own antipathy towards the EU back in the day was fueled by supercilious EUphiles* who were adamant that the Expanded Universe was incontrovertibly canon. And I won’t deny that I experienced schadenfreude when those same people were forced to eat crow.

*They also tended to be diehard PT/SE apologists, which also fanned the flames of contempt.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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*They also tended to be diehard PT/SE apologists, which also fanned the flames of contempt.

This has kind of flipped around now. Fans who are the most ardent defenders of “George’s vision” usually hold disdain for the EU.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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I get the disdain for a lot of larger EU projects though. Especially the entire Shadows of the Empire project, the disdain for that one I totally get. Prince Sex Pest and the Han Solo replacement don’t have much lasting appeal.

As far as the dumbest EU stuff I can remember, it’s Death Troopers. Star Wars but a zombie movie! Han and Chewie showing up laughably kills all tension it ever had.

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I get the disdain for a lot of larger EU projects though. Especially the entire Shadows of the Empire project, the disdain for that one I totally get. Prince Sex Pest and the Han Solo replacement don’t have much lasting appeal.

It’a funny you mention that, cause I’m actually rereading Shadows of the Empire right now. I read it over a decade ago, and the writing is a lot cornier than I remembered. The writing style is clearly oriented toward a younger reader, which makes the creepy Xizor scenes feel even more out-of-place and weird.

The best thing we got out of that whole MMP was all the cool artwork the Hildebrandt brothers did depicting scenes from the book. I love those.

I still don’t get why’d people get vitriolic about it, though. It’s non-canon and has no bearing on current Star Wars. It’s just something harmless that’s there for people to look back on and enjoy, if they want to.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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BedeHistory731 said:

As far as the dumbest EU stuff I can remember, it’s Death Troopers. Star Wars but a zombie movie! Han and Chewie showing up laughably kills all tension it ever had.

As far as zombies in SW go, Galaxy of Fear did it first and did it better.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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Servii said:

I get the disdain for a lot of larger EU projects though. Especially the entire Shadows of the Empire project, the disdain for that one I totally get. Prince Sex Pest and the Han Solo replacement don’t have much lasting appeal.

It’a funny you mention that, cause I’m actually rereading Shadows of the Empire right now. I read it over a decade ago, and the writing is a lot cornier than I remembered. The writing style is clearly oriented toward a younger reader, which makes the creepy Xizor scenes feel even more out-of-place and weird.

The best thing we got out of that whole MMP was all the cool artwork the Hildebrandt brothers did depicting scenes from the book. I love those.

I still don’t get why’d people get vitriolic about it, though. It’s non-canon and has no bearing on current Star Wars. It’s just something harmless that’s there for people to look back on and enjoy, if they want to.

I loved Shadows of the Empire when I read it in high school. All the SW material I’d consumed up to that point had been pretty chaste, so I was … interested … by the plot’s relatively heavy involvement of sex. I also really liked the insight into Vader’s character. But when I revisited the novel in my twenties, none of that wowed me anymore. I find it meh nowadays.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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Servii said:

*They also tended to be diehard PT/SE apologists, which also fanned the flames of contempt.

This has kind of flipped around now. Fans who are the most ardent defenders of “George’s vision” usually hold disdain for the EU.

So I’m not the only one who noticed this…

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– Anakin Skywalker