There are already some attempts at de-aging Anakin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPmdlUuwOI

headtaker18 said:

Anjohan said:

Axios said:

Anjohan said:

• Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…

Cheers.

Oh my, don’t traumatize me.

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If its not i can only hope its nothing lore breaking like her kidnaping Luke or something dumb like that.

Or Leia kidnapping Reeva as the ultimate twist of the century.

Vladius said:

jrs81 said:

For me, I hate that Obi Wan was that far gone to begin with. Buried his lightsabers to avoid detection, and a bit rusty, but that shot of him barely able to move that tool on on the ship was too much. My edit doesn’t make him quite as pathetic. Facing full powered Vader when you are rusty would be frightening under any circumstance. In my mind he doesn’t need too much to bring him back.

Agree with Revel, never want to see episode 4 again other than bacta scene and Leia taking his hand.

100% agree. Even if you think episode 4 is necessary for the “arc” of getting back to how he was, it still doesn’t do a good job of that and makes it seem really rushed. Better to just leave the idea out. There are reasons why he wouldn’t be prepared to face Vader anyway because of guilt and fear.

Not an abundance in the series is warranted as doing a “good job”, so we have to work with what we got. I do see your point and It’s totally fair that you disliked Episode 4. Episode 4 is and will not be a part of the timeline of this edit for pacing reasons now having done new edits, unless as a seperate “Extended Cut” upon (or after) release.

IlFanEditore said:

There are already some attempts at de-aging Anakin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPmdlUuwOI

Yes, thank you. There are quite a lot on the web right now. I’ll probably stick with whatever best incarnation we get, unless the GOAT himself (you all know who) does a deepfake before the edit’s release.

IlFanEditore said:

There are already some attempts at de-aging Anakin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPmdlUuwOI

That’s the best one I’ve seen so far! I’ll be using that for my AOTC edit. 😉

Anjohan said:

And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.

I 100% agree; maintaining the emotional component of Obi-Wan’s character arc in this series is vital to the show. He is much more of an interesting character that the audience can get emotionally invested in, knowing that he has gone through trauma and is now regaining his composure and focus in life.

https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)

https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.

I 100% agree; maintaining the emotional component of Obi-Wan’s character arc in this series is vital to the show. He is much more of an interesting character that the audience can get emotionally invested in, knowing that he has gone through trauma and is now regaining his composure and focus in life.

Exactly. Removing the depressive nature of his trauma because it makes your favourite character “depressive”, is - imho - totally missing the point, as there can often be no trauma without anxiety and depression. That being said, trimming down what might feel like out-of-character lines or behaviour is understandable.

Anjohan said:

Vader Returns - Piano Theme (the frontrunner for the scene as of right now)

https://streamable.com/vwhsix

Out of Curiosity, where did you find this Piano Theme? I like it very much and have been unable to find it online anywhere.

Peonthegrate said:

Anjohan said:

Vader Returns - Piano Theme (the frontrunner for the scene as of right now)

https://streamable.com/vwhsix

Out of Curiosity, where did you find this Piano Theme? I like it very much and have been unable to find it online anywhere.

PM sent. Remember to ask the creator for permission if you wish to use it in your edit. You don’t legally have to as he has not copyrighted his work, but it sure would be good manners.

CMMAP said:

Anjohan said:

https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)

https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)

I think you did all the right choices here. The battle with this music feels like star wars 😃

Happy to hear that. I will soon do a showcase of the all the rescores made for the film. The goal is to slowly build the perfect mix of original and past soundtrack, before going more OT score near the end of the film - to give the story a progress of a developing, musical continuity from the Prequels to the OT.

szopman said:

Just out of curiosity, are you going to leave that cool cameo of Temuera Morrison in your movie edit? 😉

Oh yes. It’s in there. It’s a beautiful scene.

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

vranir said:

I think early on would be good, especially as I expect that there will be no prequel recap at the start of your film.

Happy to hear your opinion. I will upload the Recap as seperate file in the Google Drive folder of the edit. This way people can show it to their friends/families before watching the edit, as a reminder.

Sorry for missing your post the first time, Sirius:

Sirius said:

Anjohan, I have an idea about solving the problem of Reva putting the tracker in Lola, in the case of you cutting episode 4. It isn’t a perfect solution, but maybe it can work. You can switch the scenes of Vect Nokru with Leia in Daiyu by the scene of Reva interrogating her in Nur […]

Your idea is not a bad one at all. I actually edited together a beta version with something similiar, in which I took the scene where Reeva is holding Lola in her hands and Leia is sitting at the table opposite her as a scene between them after she is kidnapped in Ep 1. However, I realized two things;

1. The scene isn’t necessary as sometimes less is more
   and 2) someone made the great point that the tracker subplot is often used as a line in Star Wars, and that it needs no explanation

What I did do however, is keep the scene with Reeva finding the secret tunnel passage - so that the viewers can imply that this is how she managed to put a tracker on the ship, in secret.

croissant_lion said:

I’ll argue against the inclusion. If the entire sequence as a whole is shown at the beginning, then the Ep5 flashbacks feel mostly redundant because the viewer already saw that sequence in its totality. If the film already establishes that Obi-Wan and Anakin were friends and that Anakin is aggressive early on, why show it all over again but cut up?
[…] more in post up above […]

You make excellent points in your post. Your idea of showing a small tidbit of it in the opening and nothing less is quite good, and I think this will be the way I approach it.

revel911 said:

I think the best time to show is when Reva first says Anakin’s name in episode 2.

Also, can you make the stormtroopers less dumb from episode 5?

I think I will approach it the way croissant suggested (although the inclusion of the flashback in EP 2 cliffhanger is not a bad idea). Also, I keep the Anakin reveal ambigious in my edit - it is up to the audience to interpret if he knew he was alive or not.

Less dumb? But I just finished rotoscoping clown masks on the lot of them…

I have removed a few seconds of Stormtroopers missing like fifty shots in the hallway, and I kept one character that got shot and that Obi-Wan then later saves (WITHOUT using his saber !?!?!?!) in the bin - meaning I kept her dead and cut Obi-Wan saving her without his saber.

Update

This showcase does NOT show the scores already settled on (like the ones linked to in the first post of this thread; Vader reveal, Anakin being put together piece by piece etc). Not all score alterations have been shown, as some I just utterly have made my mind up on and are not big or epic or utterly important in scale.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/721771812 (pw: fanedit)

Note that some of these scenes need (more) SFX replaced, as to not have scores bleed into one another. Some scenes are finished, and some are not. I do not want to continue work on the scoring before I’ve heard some opinions.

There are two scenes that will probably have their scores omitted - but i had to test them to see if they are liked; one is the scene with Tala dying (the “epic” Across the Stars part) and the other the last musical part of The Force Theme after the Anakin&Obi-Wan duel flashback.

headtaker18 said:

Axios said:

Anjohan said:

• Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.

That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…

This is what I’m worried about. She doesn’t need her own show and Kenobi doesn’t need a season two. Not sure why people are so insistent on this happening, just let it be its own thing and be done.

Sirius said:

… You can switch the scenes of Vect Nokru with Leia in Daiyu by the scene of Reva interrogating her in Nur. This way, we can assume that Leia and Reva were in a clandestine imperial base in Daiyu.

Thats exactly what I was thinking to do with my fanfix of Kenobi, no need for episode 4s imperial base antics in the story ark.

Before the dark times…

Anjohan said:

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

I’d love to see the AOTC flashback portrayed as Obi-Wan’s dream in the beginning, instead of the re-used footage from the three prequel films. Flashbacks in the fifth episode (and I’d argue that flashbacks being used at all) are wholly unnecessary, and to me breaks the flow of the story.

Obi-Wan’s dream sequence seems to be an excuse to use more footage from the prequels (filler footage). It even shows Anakin in situations that Obi-Wan wasn’t even physically present for (namely young Anakin in the Naboo Starfighter).
You wouldn’t even need to use the entire AOTC flashback as a dream sequence, you’d need just enough footage to illustrate Anakin’s anger and need for victory.

I personally appreciate the mind games involved in the ep (maybe a little toned down). I think a tasteful way of doing this is to have the first part of the dual scene earlier in the movie (dream, memory, whatever) and then in this finale use it as a memory (like in the original) and as a call forward for the audience, pulling them into the fact that they now also know why obi would know what vader would do.

I think we still need the mind games, master and apprentice parallel in the final scene to drive home what is said in ANH, and I feel like the way they did it was cool if not a tad ham-fisted. So if we treat it almost like a reveal (show in the beginning, audience forgets about it until the end when we show the whole scene, so everyone gets payoff) we can rectify the problem with the original…it feeling thrown in with no previous build up.

Creating our own mini Setup and payoff.
Needless to say I think this would work really well.

P.S. great scoring! well done loving it so far, it might be a tiny little bit too loud though, just a tad bit over powering of other elements.