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Yeah I liked this episode (relatively), but everything significant that happened here should have happened around episodes 2 or 3 and on. Reva’s character motivation and Obi Wan and Anakin/Vader actually having moments together.

I really don’t like that they’re continuing to repeat beats from everything else. It probably is intentional at this point. This episode is of course a repeat of the Battle of Hoth and The Last Jedi also copying the Battle of Hoth.

And Obi Wan again is not showing very much agency in his own show, he just sort of moves along with whatever everybody else is doing and doesn’t talk very much.

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yotsuya said:

Yeah, not exactly the same story at all. In ANH they rescue Leia because they happen to be there, and they botch it and Leia has to get them out of the mess. I really don’t see a lot of parallels other than Leia got rescued from an imperial facility.

That’s worth noting before we get too far in the weeds on finding comparisons and similarities that are completely unintentional. As Yotsuya points out, they weren’t going to rescue her at all. In fact, they weren’t even going to the Death Star. All of that was happenstance. Just as an unrelated, remote system, farm boy even being part of the story was happenstance (before Lucas had writer’s block a few years later).

That said, there are plenty of things to criticize about this series and I’ve done so myself. However, I don’t see any of that Ring or Rhyming bullshit that some factions swear exists. If anything, this series telling a new story is one of it’s strengths.

As to its conflicting with the 1977 film, I don’t care. As an original fan from 1977, I’ve never let anything conflict with that film. I either ignore attempted connectivity or skip films entirely. Star Wars is a movie from 1977. Obi Wan Kenobi is a TV show from 2022. I have no problem whatsoever separating the two. If anything, I’d struggle to connect the two.

Okay, but it’s not just one thing, even though some of the details are different.

  1. It’s Leia getting rescued from an imperial facility, by Obi Wan Kenobi.
  2. Obi Wan sneaks around and uses noises with the Force to distract exactly two stormtroopers (one of my favorite parts in the original movie so I loved this but w/e)
  3. The camera focuses very directly on a shot of Tala’s comlink being left on the table while Obi Wan can’t contact her, in a direct parallel to the same thing happening in the original movie with C3PO and Luke.
  4. Leia is interrogated and about to be tortured for information, just like in the original movie she’s already been interrogated and tortured, and is about to be executed right when she’s saved. She resists of course.
  5. There’s some disguise going on, which of course works much better in the original movie because it’s full body stormtrooper armor and not a hastily slapped together imperial officer costume with a big obvious trenchcoat.
  6. And the biggest one, the Empire lets the heroes escape on purpose so that a tracking device on their ship can lead them to the rebel base.

Intentional or not.

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idir_hh said:

Well that was a shit show of an episode. Where did the budget for this series go, swept up under a carpet somewhere?
The production value is just atrocious.

Did we watch different episodes? Or maybe compared to Episode 4, I really liked episode 5.

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This hologram communication is such a bad idea… makes Bail look so dumb and Ben so careless 👀

So long 🙌

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Kind of funny from a canon perspective because the galaxy also found out that Leia was Vader’s daughter because of another hologram of Bail spilling the beans that was lying around…

The flashback was cool though.

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So basically, the Obi-Wan show is the kind of series one watches to pass the time.

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

This de-aged Anakin showed up on my feed today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw

It’s certainly going in the right direction.

I mean it looks janky and smooths out his face too much. If this was what Lucasfilm did, then there would be outrage for the overuse of CGI.

I’d rather have Hayden himself just do it, as it doesn’t really matter since he still looks youngish.

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He clearly looks older but not that off; besides it works in the context of the series since this flashback is not supposed to be edited with original 2002 footage. At least it wasn’t distracting as CGI Luke face is. For once it was a good artistic choice on this show. Such as the very nice sequence of Vader pulling the ship. I wish the entire show was this quality…

So long 🙌

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

This de-aged Anakin showed up on my feed today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw

It’s certainly going in the right direction.

I mean it looks janky and smooths out his face too much. If this was what Lucasfilm did, then there would be outrage for the overuse of CGI.

I’d rather have Hayden himself just do it, as it doesn’t really matter since he still looks youngish.

Yeah, I’d rather have the original person and at least make some attempt to make them look younger (with makeup and other on set techniques) than make it look fake. Though they did do a damn good job with Luke in BOBF.

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The mullet wig looks pretty decent on Ewan, compared to Mark’s wig in TROS.

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I think this is probably my favourite scene (/scenes?) in the show. It actually looks stunning, the music is bittersweet and gorgeous, the choreography is fantastic and it’s beyond surreal to see these two play prequel era Anakin and Obi-wan again, in a time before war changed their lives forever. I’ll always be grateful the series gave us this.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

This de-aged Anakin showed up on my feed today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw

It’s certainly going in the right direction.

I mean it looks janky and smooths out his face too much. If this was what Lucasfilm did, then there would be outrage for the overuse of CGI.

I’d rather have Hayden himself just do it, as it doesn’t really matter since he still looks youngish.

To be clear, the person who made this said it was their first time using deepfacelab…so yes it’s a bit janky. Plus the video doesn’t look quite high rez so that doesn’t help either.
I’m sure someone out there (cough shamook cough) can make a better one.

The scene is pretty great…and I can certainly watch it and enjoy it for what it is. At the same time, the visible age difference with Anakin is a bit distracting and I personally would like to see someone tackle a de-aged version again.

Hmm…I wonder if, because of the prequels being shot at 1080p (right?) that Lucasfilm didn’t have enough high rez material to work from to pull off a deepfake? Maybe?

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Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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Obi-Wan Kenobi: Episodes 1-4 - re:View [Red Letter Media]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFIpmRoRAGU

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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jedi_bendu said:

I’m really happy with the scene and how it served the main story, but I do wish there had been another flashback in Part III as well. Call me greedy but it does feel a bit strange to suddenly drop this on us when the show’s about to wrap up.

I agree. Thinking of it, maybe could be interesting to see in the show that deleted scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan saw Grievous killing Shaak Ti (of course, cutting Shaak Ti and the bad segments out of the footage), splitting it in parts during Ben’s fight against Vader in episode 3. I say this because in the ending of this scene, Obi-Wan says that Anakin still have so much to learn, and after Anakin’s idea got right, Obi-Wan corrects himself saying that he is the one that still have so much to learn, then framing the fact that Ben lost the fight against Vader. It could be cool to see a scene like this first because it would show Vader’s perspective that Obi-wan still have so much to learn (and because of this that Vader won), and then latter in the show we would see Obi-Wan’s perspective of Anakin in the actual flashback, where Anakin’s arrogance that still make him be a learner.

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Timeline question for the gap between the prequels and originals for the board.

I’ve watched the Clone Wars series and Bad Batch. I know both are prequel adjacent in their timelines, possibly same-as in some areas. Because I’m not familiar with the prequel films, is there any time frame that isn’t covered by any of the three? Specifically, the time (obviously) before Anakin becomes Vader.

Judging from nearly all the comments here and on review sites, people seem to really be happy with Hayden’s work in this series. Being among the few unwashed, I don’t have anything to compare it to but I will say he seems fine in the role and fits age-wise. I hope we get one or two more scenes similar to what we got Wednesday.

My thought is really more of a question; Is there an unexplored timespan where Ewan and Hayden could do a short series that takes place before this show? I would be interested in that. I know he becomes Vader in the prequels so it would be within the greater prequel time space, but maybe an adventure. Maybe something along the lines of Outbound Flight.

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Well, the flashback takes place sometime shortly before Episode II, so they could potentially cover a story a year or two before Episode II, where they both look like that and before the war began (I think Outbound Flight would fit in this time period). You couldn’t go too far back though, or Anakin would be need to be younger, which Hayden couldn’t do now. Even though the Clone Wars show covers the time period between Episodes II and III, they could still do a live-action show about some untold adventures during that time. That seems like a no brainer to me. Honestly I expected to see a flashback of one of their adventures during the Clone Wars.

I don’t think there has been any canon story that covers the very early days of the war, when Anakin still had his padawan braid. This had been covered to some extent in the 2D animated Clone Wars micro series, and some of the comics, but they could tell a new story during that time.

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There is always more story to be told during the Clone Wars. Funnily enough, the period that Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars vol.1 covers - which is shortly after Episode II, and involves scenes such as Anakin encountering Asajj Ventress for the first time as well as his knighthood - isn’t covered in The Clone Wars canon series. When the series starts Asajj Ventress just shows up as if you already know who she is, and Anakin is already a Jedi knight.

That’s a time period they could possibly explore. The first time Obi-wan meets Asajj Ventress has now been covered in canon, in Brotherhood, a book I’m reading right now, but there are other story opportunities they could take.

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jedi_bendu said:

I think this is probably my favourite scene (/scenes?) in the show. It actually looks stunning, the music is bittersweet and gorgeous, the choreography is fantastic and it’s beyond surreal to see these two play prequel era Anakin and Obi-wan again, in a time before war changed their lives forever. I’ll always be grateful the series gave us this.

Yeah. The flashback duel gave us important insight into Anakin’s personality, and it reflects nicely events of the present. Fate separated Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader years ago… yet they still know each other all too well.

Episode 5 certainly has the best writing so far.

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

This de-aged Anakin showed up on my feed today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw

It’s certainly going in the right direction.

I mean it looks janky and smooths out his face too much. If this was what Lucasfilm did, then there would be outrage for the overuse of CGI.

I’d rather have Hayden himself just do it, as it doesn’t really matter since he still looks youngish.

I kind of wonder if Hayden didn’t request they refrain from CG’ing his face. He isn’t on screen for long, and would probably prefer the audience see -him- as Anakin, and not some digital mask.

just speculation

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Anchorhead said:

Timeline question for the gap between the prequels and originals for the board.

I’ve watched the Clone Wars series and Bad Batch. I know both are prequel adjacent in their timelines, possibly same-as in some areas. Because I’m not familiar with the prequel films, is there any time frame that isn’t covered by any of the three? Specifically, the time (obviously) before Anakin becomes Vader.

Judging from nearly all the comments here and on review sites, people seem to really be happy with Hayden’s work in this series. Being among the few unwashed, I don’t have anything to compare it to but I will say he seems fine in the role and fits age-wise. I hope we get one or two more scenes similar to what we got Wednesday.

My thought is really more of a question; Is there an unexplored timespan where Ewan and Hayden could do a short series that takes place before this show? I would be interested in that. I know he becomes Vader in the prequels so it would be within the greater prequel time space, but maybe an adventure. Maybe something along the lines of Outbound Flight.

Actually, at least the way I see it, the age thing didn’t work for the prequels but is somewhat rectified in this series if you just go by the actors’ ages. Obi Wan was supposedly late 30s in episode 3 with Anakin being 22 or so. I think the official timeline has Obi wan as 57 in Star Wars '77 with Vader being in his early 40s (which obviously clashes with his unmasked look in RoTJ). Now Ewan is 51 and Hayden is 41, so having them be 61 and 51 ten years from now in Star Wars '77 lines up somewhat better for me. Ditto Owen Lars with Joel’s current age lining up well with Phil Brown.