The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 571

The Captain Hux audio sounds a bit off to me still. Good effort though.

sherlockpotter said:

Original ending for comparison: https://streamable.com/15r2vd

Potential new version: https://streamable.com/asygmi

I mainly tried to smooth over the pickup note between Rey’s Theme and the End Credit fanfare. Oh, and shoutout to bbghost for helping me find the correct music clips!

In both versions the iris seems too slow. Surely that’d be an easy fix?

Octorox said:

The Captain Hux audio sounds a bit off to me still. Good effort though.

Yeah now that I’ve been able to listen to it with headphones I can fully agree.

I don’t see the problem with Pryde saying Palpatine & co. “conjured legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think he means that they literally materialized the ships out of thin air. It’s just a riposte to that other officer calling them “conjurers”, he’s simply stating they have brought forth a large & previously unknown fleet, as if being “conjured”.

In any rate I don’t think Pryde would be privy to the inner machinations of the Sith Eternal and their ‘fleet conjuring rituals’, so I don’t see how this line could be read as him explaining the origin of the Sith Fleet.

Honestly my bigger issue is with the line “Conjurers and soothsayers.” as it feels like a complete rehash of Motti.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Honestly my bigger issue is with the line “Conjurers and soothsayers.” as it feels like a complete rehash of Motti.

Both characters were part of the original Empire at one point, where that was a common belief with Imperial officers because of the Emperor’s propaganda.

I don’t think it is a big deal to just assume that they’re being a little figurative here.

It has to be figurative, like that was just Pryde’s choice of words and considering what one learns about him in the film later? I kind of like the idea of him using that word, especially since the way he speaks, he clearly thinks very highly of the Emperor and the old Galactic Empire and unlike other Imperials from the past seems to at least have a respect for the Sith. Plus, this is Palpatine, I’m almost certain something like the Sith Eternal fleet would’ve been one of those things that only those who are the absolute closest in Palpatine’s circle would know about so as far as Pryde’s concerned? The report might’ve described something about the fleet and when he read about it, to him it might as well be that they were conjured up, not like he has any other ideas really on how this came to be.

To add onto that, it’s pretty easy to just assume that Kylo’s ventures to Exegol are what’s being talked about and that we’re just seeing the end of that meeting where he has already talked on what we know and have seen off-screen which is something Star Wars and other movies do quite a bit.

I just thought these days that one of the ways to make the return of Palpatine more palatable is to transform him in a sith ghost. You guys think this is a good idea? Maybe this could made his goal to possess Rey more clear, in the end. I just don’t know if putting the red silhouette around Palpatine would be difficult to implement, as well making his collors more lighter.

sherlockpotter said:

Burbin said:

I don’t see the problem with Pryde saying Palpatine & co. “conjured legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think he means that they literally materialized the ships out of thin air. It’s just a riposte to that other officer calling them “conjurers”, he’s simply stating they have brought forth a large & previously unknown fleet, as if being “conjured”.

In any rate I don’t think Pryde would be privy to the inner machinations of the Sith Eternal and their ‘fleet conjuring rituals’, so I don’t see how this line could be read as him explaining the origin of the Sith Fleet.

On the other hand, Kylo was the only person who even went to Exegol (as far as we know), so all any of them would know is what Kylo told them. Why would Kylo, in his official report, say that Palps had “conjured” Star Destroyers if he hadn’t? I’ve always interpreted as Pryde being literal (not to mention, it’s the closest thing the original film offered to an explanation for the Sith Fleet’s existence).

Personally, I’m not super concerned about this either way. If Pryde/the script wants to say that the Sith Fleet was conjured…fine, whatever. It’s not the stupidest thing in the film by a long shot. But if Ascendant does want to downplay that whole aspect…like Chase said, it would probably be more in line with that goal to trim the line.

Like I said, Pryde only uses the word “conjured” as a retort to the other officer’s statement, if he had said “summoners and soothsayers” Pryde would’ve replied “they’ve summoned legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think there’s any implication Pryde is explaining the origins of the fleet. And there’s no talk of Kylo filing a report on his visit to Exegol, much less mentioning the word “conjured”, so that’s a leap in logic. All we can surmise from this scene is that Kylo told them about the fleet.

At any rate the official explanation isn’t that the fleet was “conjured up”, but rather simply built in secret, which IS the explanation the original film/script gives, earlier on Poe’s briefing: “His followers have been building something for years, the largest fleet the galaxy’s ever known”. This comes from the intel sent by Hux, so we can assume that’s what Kylo told them.

Sirius said:

I just thought these days that one of the ways to make the return of Palpatine more palatable is to transform him in a sith ghost. You guys think this is a good idea? Maybe this could made his goal to possess Rey more clear, in the end. I just don’t know if putting the red silhouette around Palpatine would be difficult to implement, as well making his collors more lighter.

The idea itself is sound and I think it could be cool though there are two problems. For the most part, Star Wars sticks to rules George Lucas set in place for the Sith which mainly are that while Jedi can become Force Ghosts because of their nature as peacekeepers and that they’re fine joining the Cosmic Force, Sith are all about preserving their lives as long as possible and don’t really become Ghosts. They have spirits on occasion but those spirits are tied to a single place if I remember correctly. Another problem that arises is that if I got this right, it would require masking out Palpatine in every shot he’s in to apply the effect, keeping in mind he still speaks to people through hologram and more. Personally even if it’s not optimal, I think it’s better to keep Palpatine in this movie as-is, the vats of Palpatine clones in the edit are more than enough to explain what’s going on and I wouldn’t want to create more tedious headaches than there already is for the fan-editors.

Sirius said:

I just thought these days that one of the ways to make the return of Palpatine more palatable is to transform him in a sith ghost. You guys think this is a good idea? Maybe this could made his goal to possess Rey more clear, in the end. I just don’t know if putting the red silhouette around Palpatine would be difficult to implement, as well making his collors more lighter.

Somewhat related but I was thinking the other day about if it was possible to make Palpatine in this movie into one of those canon Palpatine bots that have appeared in some of the comics and games and such. But, it’s probably not that feasible.

sherlockpotter said:

Burbin said:

I don’t see the problem with Pryde saying Palpatine & co. “conjured legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think he means that they literally materialized the ships out of thin air. It’s just a riposte to that other officer calling them “conjurers”, he’s simply stating they have brought forth a large & previously unknown fleet, as if being “conjured”.

In any rate I don’t think Pryde would be privy to the inner machinations of the Sith Eternal and their ‘fleet conjuring rituals’, so I don’t see how this line could be read as him explaining the origin of the Sith Fleet.

On the other hand, Kylo was the only person who even went to Exegol (as far as we know), so all any of them would know is what Kylo told them. Why would Kylo, in his official report, say that Palps had “conjured” Star Destroyers if he hadn’t? I’ve always interpreted as Pryde being literal (not to mention, it’s the closest thing the original film offered to an explanation for the Sith Fleet’s existence).

Personally, I’m not super concerned about this either way. If Pryde/the script wants to say that the Sith Fleet was conjured…fine, whatever. It’s not the stupidest thing in the film by a long shot. But if Ascendant does want to downplay that whole aspect…like Chase said, it would probably be more in line with that goal to trim the line.

This feels like one of those things where people are going out of their way to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation of something that happened in the movie. Nothing about the movie implies that the ships were literally conjured, and arguing that it does feels like arguing in bad faith.

Plus, the intel from Hux that Poe shares outright states that they’ve been BUILDING the fleet for years.

omnimuffin said:

sherlockpotter said:

Burbin said:

I don’t see the problem with Pryde saying Palpatine & co. “conjured legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think he means that they literally materialized the ships out of thin air. It’s just a riposte to that other officer calling them “conjurers”, he’s simply stating they have brought forth a large & previously unknown fleet, as if being “conjured”.

In any rate I don’t think Pryde would be privy to the inner machinations of the Sith Eternal and their ‘fleet conjuring rituals’, so I don’t see how this line could be read as him explaining the origin of the Sith Fleet.

On the other hand, Kylo was the only person who even went to Exegol (as far as we know), so all any of them would know is what Kylo told them. Why would Kylo, in his official report, say that Palps had “conjured” Star Destroyers if he hadn’t? I’ve always interpreted as Pryde being literal (not to mention, it’s the closest thing the original film offered to an explanation for the Sith Fleet’s existence).

Personally, I’m not super concerned about this either way. If Pryde/the script wants to say that the Sith Fleet was conjured…fine, whatever. It’s not the stupidest thing in the film by a long shot. But if Ascendant does want to downplay that whole aspect…like Chase said, it would probably be more in line with that goal to trim the line.

This feels like one of those things where people are going out of their way to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation of something that happened in the movie. Nothing about the movie implies that the ships were literally conjured, and arguing that it does feels like arguing in bad faith.

Plus, the intel from Hux that Poe shares outright states that they’ve been BUILDING the fleet for years.

Couldn’t agree more. Stuck in minutia of minutia. I suspect the hunger for V2 is at an all time high.