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Sirius said:
Rey tricking the stormtrooper: For me this scene really doesn’t work because she speaks as if she knew this jedi mind trick, but she never seen a force user doing this trick before and she’s too new to the force to even think about doing something like that. I thought about a way this scene could work, but would require some edit and a Kylo Ren voice impersonator. If Kylo tried to make the same kind of jedi trick to Rey to gather the information about the map (before he takes off his mask), Rey would have known about this jedi mind trick before using it in the stormtrooper, and her line wouldn’t end being some kind of a deus ex machina.

I always got the impression, that Rey “learned” it from Kylo since he tried to get in her head in the interrogation. So i don´t see your point here.

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CMMAP said:

Sirius said:
Rey tricking the stormtrooper: For me this scene really doesn’t work because she speaks as if she knew this jedi mind trick, but she never seen a force user doing this trick before and she’s too new to the force to even think about doing something like that. I thought about a way this scene could work, but would require some edit and a Kylo Ren voice impersonator. If Kylo tried to make the same kind of jedi trick to Rey to gather the information about the map (before he takes off his mask), Rey would have known about this jedi mind trick before using it in the stormtrooper, and her line wouldn’t end being some kind of a deus ex machina.

I always got the impression, that Rey “learned” it from Kylo since he tried to get in her head in the interrogation. So i don´t see your point here.

Kylo tried to gather the information taking it by force, although Rey tried to convince the stormtrooper, in a completely different approach. For me at least it’s hard to relate the two scenes, mostly because the Rey scene was made to be an obvious reference to the jedi mind trick of previous films, not to be a normal learning from her through the film. The scene itself doesn’t sound natural.

I don’t know, maybe I’m reading too much into things. That’s at least my interpretation, I never had your interpretation while watching the movie

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Maz’s ownership of the saber was something I was trying to figure out at some point, and thought it could work to have it be part of Rey’s vision in the previous scene. I abandoned the idea since I thought it would disrupt the scene too much, but here’s one way it could work:

https://vimeo.com/622038704

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Obviously just a mockup, but all the elements are there and I think it may actually add something. Leia’s ‘Bring him home’ could refer both to her later line regarding her son as well as instruction to Maz to find Han and bring him back to her, Maz being a trusted confidant of both parties. Or it could even refer to Luke, since Leia could have deputized Maz into the Luke quest at some point and thought giving her the saber would help somehow.

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NeverarGreat said:

Maz’s ownership of the saber was something I was trying to figure out at some point, and thought it could work to have it be part of Rey’s vision in the previous scene. I abandoned the idea since I thought it would disrupt the scene too much, but here’s one way it could work:

https://vimeo.com/622038704

Password: fanedit

Obviously just a mockup, but all the elements are there and I think it may actually add something. Leia’s ‘Bring him home’ could refer both to her later line regarding her son as well as instruction to Maz to find Han and bring him back to her, Maz being a trusted confidant of both parties. Or it could even refer to Luke, since Leia could have deputized Maz into the Luke quest at some point and thought giving her the saber would help somehow.

It’s not the ideal solution, but I think it works better than the current state. At least it’s a hint of where she gets the saber. But to work, I think it would be better to cut Han’s questioning Maz about that. Cutting it, it would implies that he already knows that the saber is with Maz.

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I feel like it just asks another question of how Leia got it.

“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi

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I think the handoff from Leia to Maz gives some of the ‘good story’ aspect without spelling it out completely. It’s never going to be adequately explained how anyone found the saber originally, but now at least the saber is in the hands of someone who has a vested interest in it, or is connected with someone who does (Kylo). Her giving it to Maz could have any number of explanations and here it spurs some thought and interest instead of being a complete mystery.

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NeverarGreat said:

Rewatching that scene and the entirety of act 3, I feel like there should be an extra indication of Rey’s darkness. Should I go a subtle Sith eyes route in that dark Force cliff scene?

Don’t know if you’ve already decided about this, but I think that subtle audio of bad dark side things happening in relation to the Skywalker saber, or palpatine quotes, or sith whispers, something like that, might be more effective in showing her tap into the dark side than Sith eyes. Or might just be something that could make a good addition. Actually I think I remember maybe you experimented with this earlier?

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The current workprint has sith eyes and sith whispers, it works really well IMO.

“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi

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NeverarGreat said:

Maz’s ownership of the saber was something I was trying to figure out at some point, and thought it could work to have it be part of Rey’s vision in the previous scene. I abandoned the idea since I thought it would disrupt the scene too much, but here’s one way it could work:

https://vimeo.com/622038704

Password: fanedit

Obviously just a mockup, but all the elements are there and I think it may actually add something. Leia’s ‘Bring him home’ could refer both to her later line regarding her son as well as instruction to Maz to find Han and bring him back to her, Maz being a trusted confidant of both parties. Or it could even refer to Luke, since Leia could have deputized Maz into the Luke quest at some point and thought giving her the saber would help somehow.

I really liked that inclusion Nev and it makes a lot of sense of how did Maz get it, it blends very well also👍.

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If you are going with the idea that Ben’s first saber was Anakin’s, maybe in the TFA Force vision, you could add the saber somewhere on the ground. Perhaps it could be laying right in front of Rey’s face when she falls in the dirt near Luke and R2.
Also, some other general suggestions that might help with the flow of the shots, I wonder if you could do a match cut of R2 in the rain to a shot of dormant R2 in the Resistance base. Then, you could create a fake whip pan (just like what was used between the shots of Rey and Luke/R2), from dormant R2 to Leia handing Maz the saber. The extra shot might help emphasize the idea that R2 was the bridge between Luke and Leia’s possession of the saber. I wonder if you could also use that whip pan effect to exclusively use that shot of Luke from the teaser, that way you don’t have to try and match the two separate shots.

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I’d heard about this edit before, but only recently looked into it and realized how “radical” it is! Can I get a link?

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RL, I would worry about the saber on the ground at that point in the vision since it could be interpreted as still being on Bespin. Not a terrible interpretation but it may just distract from the moment.

I could try a whip pan though.

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I’d heard about this edit before, but only recently looked into it and realized how “radical” it is! Can I get a link?

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How’s Han in the cockpit going? Is this the last change before the official thing is released? Haven’t been here in a while lately.

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The Han scene hasn’t been finalized, but I’m hoping to take another look at it soon. Of course, since someone brought up Luke’s saber origin I’ve contemplated adding a shot or two to the vision, but that may just be skipped because I really want to wrap this up as I had promised.

Tzetzo, thanks for the link, I’d seen those videos and though there may be something usable there I just love to see the could-have-beens for this movie. Glad we didn’t get that particular opening though 😉

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I also think that once you’ve gotten the face done, there needs to be some consistent lighting from the hanger bay and a window effect on the cockpit.

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Honestly, i think this is one of the greatest additions to any TFA edit. Finally TLJ’s dice fixation will have a setup

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I agree. On it’s own, it’s just a fun bit of nostalgia which I’m sure is why it was cut, but it’s really essential from the wider standpoint.

On that note, here’s my second pass at the face, as well as adjusting the lighting of the shot:

https://vimeo.com/590342667

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There’s still a bit of distortion in the face if you look closely, but I’m pretty sure a casual viewer wouldn’t bat an eye since it could be chalked up to natural distortion through the window.

Now all I need to add is the ambient sound for the scene.

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Amazing job! Like you said, seems like the only thing missing is the ambient sounds. Looking forward to the final product so much!

I know I’ve asked this before, but can’t remember the answer so sorry if you’ve answered it. But has the few “palpatine hints” that are in Hal’s version been added yet? Mainly the palpatine theme and his laugh in the vision sequence.

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Is Harrison in the cockpit in the shot that begins at 0:03 ~ 0:04? I think it could use a bit more CC to blend in with the background better… or maybe he’s actually there and my brain is playing tricks on me. Either way Nev, this is incredible.

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That shot was taken from elsewhere in the Falcon, and SirRidley replaced the background to make it seem like the cockpit. It works perfectly well for me, so I’m disinclined to alter their work.

Peonthegrate said:

I know I’ve asked this before, but can’t remember the answer so sorry if you’ve answered it. But has the few “palpatine hints” that are in Hal’s version been added yet? Mainly the palpatine theme and his laugh in the vision sequence.

It keeps slipping my mind, but I have the files so it will go in before final render.

JEDIT: They’re now included 😃

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This is all great news 😃 My impatience is growing 😄