Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 164

People post nonsense on reddit claiming to be insiders all the time. This post is so transparently trying to push some narrative that Lucasfilm/Disney ruined some mythical four-hour ‘JJ cut’, or that “Abrams shot two movies”, which is entirely unsubstantiated. The reshoots and cuts in TROS aren’t subtle - Mustafar is obviously cut down, Luke’s wig is obviously a reshoot etc. Similarly for Josstice League vs. the Snyder Cut: you can feel it. If Coruscant, Mortis, clones mixed with Phasma’s DNA (???) etc. had been cut, there’d be some trace in the final product, and there just isn’t. Ditto for the claim that Crait was originally at the start of TLJ - that leaves the movie without a functional third act; where would Luke project to? Would he just die on the island? It’s silly fanfiction at best, some weird attempt to slander Alan Horn and venerate JJ Abrams at worst. Plus “Heirs to the Force” is a fan-speculation tier title (to be fair, Duel of the Fates is too, and that’s real…).

Edit: Also, I can’t possibly trust anyone who sincerely believes DOTF ‘got Star Wars’ the best. That script ends with Yoda and Luke telling Rey how fantastic it is that she’s decided to embrace the Dark Side and that “narrow was their point of view”, entirely missing what Lucas was getting at the whole time. Yes, integrating your shadow is part of Star Wars; no, this doesn’t mean just occasionally choking people, as a treat. The dark side is addictive. Plus, “Rey Solana”? Why give Rey a totally arbitrary last name? If she had to get one, let’s be honest, it was always going to be “Skywalker” or at an absolute stretch “Solo”. Sorry, I’m ranting because I’m sick of DOTF being put on some pedestal just because TROS was also bad.

Right, Sparky. The way this guy describes the differences, though, he makes it sound like those major differences were actually filmed. At the most, the differences only vary from the JediPaxis’ initial leak and the final film, because like you said Sparky, these were changes made during late production/post-production/reshoots.

I still believe there is an expanded edition of the film that JJ would have preferred to release. At least 30 mins of content that would have made things more clear. But obviously Disney wanted to make more money, so he had to cut it down.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I still believe there is an expanded edition of the film that JJ would have preferred to release. At least 30 mins of content that would have made things more clear. But obviously Disney wanted to make more money, so he had to cut it down.

Personally I think JJ was capable of cutting it down on his own. Typically that’s his style, and it’s worked for him in the past.

The Force Awakens wasn’t NEARLY as jumbled as this movie though, so I find that hard to believe.

The movie needed 30 minutes more, and it needed most scenes to have some room to breathe.

The same editing issues were there in TFA but because the story was so straight forward people overlooked it. But TFA rarely let’s the scenes breathe, its go go go from the first scene.
And that can be a good thing for some movies, but JJ did the same thing with Star Trek.

Compare JJ’s Star trek movies to the third one in his continuity, it’s like night and day. The third one let’s the characters have moments, so overall this is a JJ issue and a trait of his.

I don’t watch Star Trek so I wouldn’t know. I was just basing it off of TFA because, you know, it’s also Star Wars.

Anyways, I never really noticed that about TFA. Maybe you’re right, it’s just that it’s all easy to understand.

During the discussion awhile back about adding in Palpatine’s Fortnite message, there was a version where someone managed to fit in the entire message over the “Somehow, Palpatine returned” scene. Does anyone have it? I can’t find it

I just finished my own version if anyone is interested:

https://vimeo.com/535658696

Ditto for the claim that Crait was originally at the start of TLJ - that leaves the movie without a functional third act; where would Luke project to?

Eh, TLJ always felt like it had two third acts stacked on top of each other to me. The battles on the Supremacy is the first one. I guess you could have Luke project there. It’s unlikely they’d have changed Crait’s place in the story once principal photography started.

I still believe there is an expanded edition of the film that JJ would have preferred to release. At least 30 mins of content that would have made things more clear. But obviously Disney wanted to make more money, so he had to cut it down.

Abrams doesn’t do long movies though. The final product feels so Abramsy I can’t imagine it not being his cut. At most there might’ve been one scene or a few shots that were executively mandated, like how TFA and TLJ each had a moment included to lead into TLJ and DotF, respectively.

Oh and lol at that fake leak referencing an EU character.

Has anyone tried making a version of Rey and Ben’s kiss that has a hint of Across the Stars? I’ve seen versions where it blasts the score, but I was thinking just a nice little part combined with the original score like Hal did with Duel of the Fates in the Kef Bir duel, so it could allude to how Ben reviving Rey was him finishing what Anakin started by saving the woman he loved from death.

I’ll make a mockup soon, but I’m curious if anyone has already tried something similar. I’ll try different placements like when he crawls up to her, when he actually revives her, when they kiss, etc. to see what works best

Sounds good, Brewzter. Glad someone is getting around to this. Honestly I should have tried it at some point lol.

I seem to remember Hal expressing mild interest in this? So maybe if it sounds good enough (and most importantly: subtle enough) it could go there.

Brewzter said:

Has anyone tried making a version of Rey and Ben’s kiss that has a hint of Across the Stars? I’ve seen versions where it blasts the score, but I was thinking just a nice little part combined with the original score like Hal did with Duel of the Fates in the Kef Bir duel, so it could allude to how Ben reviving Rey was him finishing what Anakin started by saving the woman he loved from death.

I’ll make a mockup soon, but I’m curious if anyone has already tried something similar. I’ll try different placements like when he crawls up to her, when he actually revives her, when they kiss, etc. to see what works best

The ending part of the “Across the Stars” suite has a more slow-paced, melancholic feel to it that might suit the moment when they actually kiss or after.

The moment where Rey is revived has great music as it currently stands, with a sweet rendition of the combined Rey and Kylo’s themes, so I wouldn’t really want to see it go. Besides, the score suddenly stops before Rey says Ben’s name, which is convenient and useful for changing whatever music goes after without affecting the earlier Rey/Ben theme.

Knight of Kalee said:
The moment where Rey is revived has great music as it currently stands, with a sweet rendition of the combined Rey and Kylo’s themes, so I wouldn’t really want to see it go. Besides, the score suddenly stops before Rey says Ben’s name, which is convenient and useful for changing whatever music goes after without affecting the earlier Rey/Ben theme.

My thoughts exactly, I really like the original score but think it could be even better with a hint of Across the Stars. And like you said about the score cutting off, it’s pretty much asking to be edited haha

Has anyone tried making a version of Rey and Ben’s kiss that has a hint of Across the Stars?

A few of us have, although I don’t have any links on me.

then add as many shots as we can of people throughout the galaxy reacting to it.

This is giving me PTSD of all those attempts people made at overlaying Palpatine’s Fortnite message over footage of the bar from AotC and whatnot. It really does not work well, which simply proves we don’t have enough footage. That said, it might be feasibly to obtain the necessary footage from scouring enough fanfilms.

Perhaps you could even recontextualize Korr Sella’s reaction to the superlaser as being a reaction to the airing of that speech instead.

Dude that’s awesome! Kinda got chills from it. I don’t think there’s any canon source that states it was broadcast but it works as a strong headcanon that doesn’t contradict anything.

I think it might work better to start showing it as a broadcast before any of the reactions like at Canto Bight are shown, otherwise it’s a bit unclear what’s happening. And I like the idea of the cut-off at the end on his face, but the cuts between different angles make it feel more like a spy movie than Star Wars, so I’m not sure if it would really fit into TROS like that. Are you going to try to implement it in the actual movie somehow, after the crawl maybe? I’m not sure where it could fit in well since I feel like it would need to be the first thing after the crawl but that may be an awkward transition since the crawl always pans down to a ship flying around a planet.

Also, what are you going for with the shot of Aftab Ackbar?